Who do you think is more strongly disliked in Kansas?

[Keystone Phil]

Who do you think is more strongly disliked in Kansas at this moment?

I'm going with option two because I'm not a Forum Dem hack.

[Maxwell]

Obama is probably more intensely disliked.

[Vega]

Probably Obama, because he's Obama.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

Black President + lots of angry rural whites = no contest, Obama.

[Free Bird]

Black President + lots of angry rural whites = no contest, Obama.

Race baiting at its finest

[ElectionsGuy]

Obama

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Well, there's Obama's white relatives in Kansas. Although maybe they don't count, since they might be part black, too.

http://corporate.ancestry.com/press/press-releases/2012/07/ancestry.com-discovers-president-obama-related-to-first-documented-slave-in-america/

[Niemeyerite]

Obama. But Paul Davis is not Barack Obama, and Sam Brownback is Sam Brownback, so the fact that he's a bit less disliked than Obama doesn't make the race SAFE GOP!11!!!!!1!!

[Badger]

According to recent polling, Obama and Brownback have near identically poor approval/disapproval ratings. Obama is surely more intensely disliked because in almost any state voters care more (whether positively or negatively) about their president than their governor. While that dynamic will certainly help Roberts's re-election to the Senate, it won't have as much impact on the governor's race. Simply put, voters' disapproval of their governor matters more than their disapproval of the president while casting their ballots for governor.

One other point I noticed: Among the near quarter of KS voters who are very or somewhat liberal, over a fifth disapprove of Obama. Davis, meanwhile, doesn't have nearly the same disapproval rating among that contingent (particularly among the more numerous "somewhat liberals"). I know Democrats like to claim that a notable share of Obama's disapproval comes from voters who feel he hasn't been liberal enough, but in KS that actually may be case to the tune of about 4-5% points. Conversely, it's difficult to envision many, if any, conservative Kansans (outside some rare Phelps family-like extremists) who seriously believe Brownback isn't conservative enough.

KS's strong conservative Republican lean still gives Brownback a chance with Obama in the White House, but he's still got quite the hole to dig himself out of.

[NHLiberal]

According to recent polling, Obama and Brownback have near identically poor approval/disapproval ratings. Obama is surely more intensely disliked because in almost any state voters care more (whether positively or negatively) about their president than their governor. While that dynamic will certainly help Roberts's re-election to the Senate, it won't have as much impact on the governor's race. Simply put, voters' disapproval of their governor matters more than their disapproval of the president while casting their ballots for governor.

One other point I noticed: Among the near quarter of KS voters who are very or somewhat liberal, over a fifth disapprove of Obama. Davis, meanwhile, doesn't have nearly the same disapproval rating among that contingent (particularly among the more numerous "somewhat liberals"). I know Democrats like to claim that a notable share of Obama's disapproval comes from voters who feel he hasn't been liberal enough, but in KS that actually may be case to the tune of about 4-5% points. Conversely, it's difficult to envision many, if any, conservative Kansans (outside some rare Phelps family-like extremists) who seriously believe Brownback isn't conservative enough.

KS's strong conservative Republican lean still gives Brownback a chance with Obama in the White House, but he's still got quite the hole to dig himself out of.

Everything you just said is spot on

[tmthforu94]

It depends on how you interpret the question. Brownback's specific policies are better known to most Kansans and have a more direct affect. That being said, if you gave them an option and told them they could remove one from office, the vast majority would go with Obama.

Does that make sense?

[IceSpear]

Who said that Brownback was more disliked? Certainly not me.

[KCDem]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

[Keystone Phil]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

[eric82oslo]

Brownback is more disliked because he's had an actual negative effect on people's lives, while Obama has had an actual positive effect through Obamacare/Medicade expansion, improved economic conditions and smarter use of military powers abroad.

[Keystone Phil]

Brownback is more disliked because he's had an actual negative effect on people's lives, while Obama has had an actual positive effect through Obamacare/Medicade expansion, improved economic conditions and smarter use of military powers abroad.

Right. I'm sure that's exactly how most Americans, and especially Kansans, see it!

[NHLiberal]

Brownback is more disliked because he's had an actual negative effect on people's lives, while Obama has had an actual positive effect through Obamacare/Medicade expansion, improved economic conditions and smarter use of military powers abroad.

I don't think people in Kansas (or a lot of people in almost every state) see it like that. And I'm not sure I agree with that last example.

[IceSpear]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

I'm curious about the real numbers for that. Might be a question worth asking in their next poll.

Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is.

A "small lead" for Obama. In a safe GOP state, you really think Brownback is that viciously hated that Obama would only have a "small lead" in the "Disliked More" category. Oh man.

P.S. - Bush wasn't on the ballot in 2006. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010.

Uh, yes? Maybe not small overall, but small relative to what one would expect. It wouldn't take very many "crossovers" to keep it within single digits, for instance.

The fact that this thread was started based on a comment nobody made is pretty funny.

[Keystone Phil]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

I'm curious about the real numbers for that. Might be a question worth asking in their next poll.

Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is.

A "small lead" for Obama. In a safe GOP state, you really think Brownback is that viciously hated that Obama would only have a "small lead" in the "Disliked More" category. Oh man.

P.S. - Bush wasn't on the ballot in 2006. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010.

Uh, yes? Maybe not small overall, but small relative to what one would expect. It wouldn't take very many "crossovers" to keep it within single digits, for instance.

The fact that this thread was started based on a comment nobody made is pretty funny.

I said "Obama and Brownback aren't equally hated." Sawx said he'd like to see the numbers on that. That led me to asking what the Forum thinks. Poor attempt at a "Gotcha!," Icespear.

[IceSpear]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

I'm curious about the real numbers for that. Might be a question worth asking in their next poll.

Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is.

A "small lead" for Obama. In a safe GOP state, you really think Brownback is that viciously hated that Obama would only have a "small lead" in the "Disliked More" category. Oh man.

P.S. - Bush wasn't on the ballot in 2006. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010.

Uh, yes? Maybe not small overall, but small relative to what one would expect. It wouldn't take very many "crossovers" to keep it within single digits, for instance.

The fact that this thread was started based on a comment nobody made is pretty funny.

I said "Obama and Brownback aren't equally hated." Sawx said he'd like to see the numbers on that. That led me to asking what the Forum thinks. Poor attempt at a "Gotcha!," Icespear.

I said I think Obama would have a smaller than expected lead. As far as I can tell, Sawx never said what he thought the result would be, just that it would be an interesting question to ask. So you're attacking a strawman here.

[Keystone Phil]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

I'm curious about the real numbers for that. Might be a question worth asking in their next poll.

Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is.

A "small lead" for Obama. In a safe GOP state, you really think Brownback is that viciously hated that Obama would only have a "small lead" in the "Disliked More" category. Oh man.

P.S. - Bush wasn't on the ballot in 2006. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010.

Uh, yes? Maybe not small overall, but small relative to what one would expect. It wouldn't take very many "crossovers" to keep it within single digits, for instance.

The fact that this thread was started based on a comment nobody made is pretty funny.

I said "Obama and Brownback aren't equally hated." Sawx said he'd like to see the numbers on that. That led me to asking what the Forum thinks. Poor attempt at a "Gotcha!," Icespear.

I said I think Obama would have a smaller than expected lead. As far as I can tell, Sawx never said what he thought the result would be, just that it would be an interesting question to ask. So you're attacking a strawman here.

Let me repeat: Sawx said he was curious about the result. I never said what he thought the result would be. I wanted the Forum's take. I made a poll. Please, get over it.

[windjammer]

Phil is right.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Obama and Brownback are probably about equally disliked, but the dislike for Obama is obviously of a stronger vintage and it's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

[IceSpear]

This poll is dumb and tells us nothing about the Kansas gubernatorial race. Nice try, Keystone.

It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity.

I'm curious about the real numbers for that. Might be a question worth asking in their next poll.

Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is.

A "small lead" for Obama. In a safe GOP state, you really think Brownback is that viciously hated that Obama would only have a "small lead" in the "Disliked More" category. Oh man.

P.S. - Bush wasn't on the ballot in 2006. Obama wasn't on the ballot in 2010.

Uh, yes? Maybe not small overall, but small relative to what one would expect. It wouldn't take very many "crossovers" to keep it within single digits, for instance.

The fact that this thread was started based on a comment nobody made is pretty funny.

I said "Obama and Brownback aren't equally hated." Sawx said he'd like to see the numbers on that. That led me to asking what the Forum thinks. Poor attempt at a "Gotcha!," Icespear.

I said I think Obama would have a smaller than expected lead. As far as I can tell, Sawx never said what he thought the result would be, just that it would be an interesting question to ask. So you're attacking a strawman here.

Let me repeat: Sawx said he was curious about the result. I never said what he thought the result would be. I wanted the Forum's take. I made a poll. Please, get over it.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You just stated in your last post you made this thread to "combat the hackery about Obama and Brownback being equally disliked", when literally nobody in that thread said they were.

[Keystone Phil]

Here's what I actually said:

"It wasn't meant to tell you about the Gubernatorial race. Well, other than combating the hackery that has run wild in that thread about how Obama and Brownback are basically disliked with the same intensity."

Let's focus on the last few words there: "basically disliked with the same intensity." That means some people were suggesting that the level of dislike for both was pretty close to even. 

Don't misquote me and expect to get away with it.

Now let's look at a comment from the poster known as IceSpear: "Agreed. I'd actually anticipate it being somewhat close, probably with a small lead for Obama. But unfortunately for Brownback, Obama isn't on the ballot and he is."

The bolded text suggests that you believe the level of distaste for both might not be equal but would be pretty close to even. And almost no one here agrees with you. Again, get over it.