Areas in a Palestinian state

[politicus]

Well, which of the Palestinian majority areas do you think a Palestinian state should include?

Current "states" in brackets.

[TNF]

All of Israel

[ElectionsGuy]

East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank.

[SWE]

All of Israel

[TDAS04]

East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank.

[H. Ross Peron]

Gaza and West Bank minus some continguous settlement block areas.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

All of Israel

[Vega]

Gaza and Jordan.

[Vosem]

The Annapolis plan seems about right. I would remove a 'tentacle' connecting Kiryat Arba either to the Negev or to the Gush Etzion bloc (the former seems significantly less disruptive), and probably make Ariel and Karnei Shomron an exclave. The Green Triangle might also be added to Palestine, though with the qualifier that Israeli Arabs who wish to remain in Israel will be provided alternative housing and recompense by the Israeli government. I didn't vote, since I think these options are rather simplistic.

[politicus]

I didn't vote, since I think these options are rather simplistic.

I think that's unavoidable in such polls.

Thanks for giving a serious and elaborate answer. I mostly agree with you, but I tend to think a Palestinian incorporation of (most of) Jordan is unavoidable in the long run, which would be fair given population distribution.

Do you have the map of the Annapolis plan?

[courts]

All of 'Israel'

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank.

[Redalgo]

East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank.

[dead0man]

Gaza and West Bank

[ingemann]

Gaza and West Bank, plus some kind of compromise, which would give the Palestinians some suburbs of East Jerusalem and a joint ownership over the temple mount.

[Velasco]

West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Jerusalem as a whole might have a special (extra territorial) status, some territory exchanges might be done across the Green Line and there must be a corridor between Gaza and the West Bank.

[politicallefty]

At the least, the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem (although as others have mentioned, a special status could be created for the entirety of Jerusalem).

Considering the available options, why wasn't the Golan Heights one of them?

[Indy Texas]

West Bank + Gaza

I have indicated my preference in the past for the entire city of Jerusalem to be an independent city under UN protection.

Israeli Arabs who wish to remain in Israel will be provided alternative housing and recompense by the Israeli government.

Any plan that presumes to treat Israeli Arabs differently from Israeli Jews when it comes to the possibility of trading areas with Israeli residents for areas with Palestinians should be a non-starter. It's a fundamentally racist premise to start with to assume that Israeli Arabs should automatically be "okay" with living in a Palestinian state.

Where land tradeoffs happen and you end up with Israelis in Palestine or Palestinians in Israel, there ought to be a hard and fast rule that neither government has the right to force or encourage non-native residents to relocate to the other country.

[Vosem]

I didn't vote, since I think these options are rather simplistic.

I think that's unavoidable in such polls.

Thanks for giving a serious and elaborate answer. I mostly agree with you, but I tend to think a Palestinian incorporation of (most of) Jordan is unavoidable in the long run, which would be fair given population distribution.

Do you have the map of the Annapolis plan?

That's it. I would remove a 'tail' from Mezodot Yehuda to Hebron; in the north, Ariel and the area to its north would become an Israeli exclave; and, lastly, I might add bits of the Green Triangle.

West Bank + Gaza

I have indicated my preference in the past for the entire city of Jerusalem to be an independent city under UN protection.

Israeli Arabs who wish to remain in Israel will be provided alternative housing and recompense by the Israeli government.

Any plan that presumes to treat Israeli Arabs differently from Israeli Jews when it comes to the possibility of trading areas with Israeli residents for areas with Palestinians should be a non-starter. It's a fundamentally racist premise to start with to assume that Israeli Arabs should automatically be "okay" with living in a Palestinian state.

...which is why in my own post I noted that Israeli citizens -- Jewish or Arab -- should not be compelled to live in the future Palestinian state if they do not wish it.

Where land tradeoffs happen and you end up with Israelis in Palestine or Palestinians in Israel, there ought to be a hard and fast rule that neither government has the right to force or encourage non-native residents to relocate to the other country.

Sure, but there ought to be mechanisms in place to allow Israelis stuck in Palestine or Palestinians stuck in Israel to do so if they wish. Hopefully an evacuation of settlers beforehand will keep these issues to a minimum within the West Bank itself, but if parts of pre-1967 Israel become a part of the future Palestine (which is frequently a part of these plans) these sorts of issues will arise.

[Dixie Reborn]

Palestinians should be given amnesty and Israeli citizenship, leading to a one state solution.

[swl]

I voted Judea and Samaria, the current West Bank.

I think it's in every one interest to manage to divide the Israel-Palestine conflict in two Israel-West Bank and Israel-Gaza conflicts. Israel was not far from achieving that but they stupidly screwed it up by not making any effort in the West Bank.

The PA in the West Bank is much more reasonable and respectable than the Hamas, and it would release a big burden for Israel to be finally at peace with the West Bank. It would also offer a good image to all Palestinians and to the whole Arab world.

I also thing that the two-state solution is not really viable, because as soon as they would get it, the Hamas dominated Gaza and the PA dominated West Bank would start fighting and Gaza would quickly secede (look at the precedent of Pakistan and Bangladesh).

So I think the West Bank should get its independence and become the country "Palestine".
Gaza would get its independence later and become a city-state.  
East Jerusalem is much more difficult to return to the Palestinians because of the huge number of colons, but the main difficulty there concerns religion and not really territory, so I think that ultimately an agreement could be reached if it stays under Israeli control but with open access to the different holy sites for Palestinians.

I still prefer a one-state solution where everyone loves each other, but I don't have much hope.

[Del Tachi]

No Palestinian state should be established.