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« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2014, 02:27:19 PM »

Lots of wasted votes. Third largest party is people who didn't get in.
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« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2014, 02:40:35 PM »

Lots of wasted votes. Third largest party is people who didn't get in.

Actually, it is the largest party - just under 23% of the vote. But it is not too bad for this electoral system.
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« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2014, 02:46:22 PM »

Oblasts by Samopomich share:

Kiev city 21.31
Lviv 19.25
Ivano-Frankivsk 14.21
Kiev oblast 13.09
Volyn 12.12
Ternopil 11.47
Rivne 11.37
Khmelnytskyi 10.9
Cherkasy 10.32
Zhytomyr 9.18
Poltava 8.96
Transcarpathia 8.82
Zaporizhia 8.77
Chernivtsi 8.58
Sumy 8.55
Mykolaiv 8.47
Dnipropetrovsk 8.42
Kirovohrad 7.95
Kharkiv 7.71
Odessa 7.49
Vinnytsia 6.97
Chernihiv 6.78
Kherson 6.59
Luhansk 5.78
Donetsk <5
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« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2014, 03:19:36 PM »

Lots of wasted votes. Third largest party is people who didn't get in.

Actually, it is the largest party - just under 23% of the vote. But it is not too bad for this electoral system.

23% seem pretty high when compared to Germany who also have a 5% threshold.  Even Greece in May 2012 had only 19% vote for parties below the 4% vote share and that was a chaotic election in terms of party system.  It does make sense since there was a significant realignment of parties and voter preferences since the last election so every party wants to try out its chances alone.  As long as no big changes takes place in the party system (which given Ukraine seems unlikely), the next election should have a much smaller vote share for parties that did not make it past the threshold.
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« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2014, 03:31:13 PM »

Lots of wasted votes. Third largest party is people who didn't get in.

Actually, it is the largest party - just under 23% of the vote. But it is not too bad for this electoral system.

23% seem pretty high when compared to Germany who also have a 5% threshold.  Even Greece in May 2012 had only 19% vote for parties below the 4% vote share and that was a chaotic election in terms of party system.  It does make sense since there was a significant realignment of parties and voter preferences since the last election so every party wants to try out its chances alone.  As long as no big changes takes place in the party system (which given Ukraine seems unlikely), the next election should have a much smaller vote share for parties that did not make it past the threshold.

It's the matter of one party coming really close to the threshold and still not making it. Get a tiny bit more to Svoboda, and it drops to around 18%.
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« Reply #105 on: October 27, 2014, 03:43:28 PM »

77.25% reporting

Popular Front (Yatsenyuk/Turchinov) 21.95%
Poroshenko Bloc 21.54%
Samopomich 11.08%
Opposition Bloc 9.58%
Radical Party (Lyashko) 7.40%
Batkivshchina (Timoshenko) 5.68%
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Svoboda 4.73%
Communists 3.93%
Hromadyanska Poziciya (Hrytsenko) 3.13%
Strong Ukraine (Tihipko) 3.12%
Agrarian Union Zastup 2.72%
Right Sector 1.84%
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« Reply #106 on: October 27, 2014, 04:01:22 PM »



have you see the youtube video when the PF of the parliament cry because deputies didn't vote the recognition of fighters of stepan bandera as ukrainian heroes ? Seems for me this is not a very "classical liberal pro-UE" way of thinking Wink
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« Reply #107 on: October 27, 2014, 04:05:42 PM »

Just wanted to share this hilarious article from TeleSur, the Venezuelan based pan-Latin America news agency. It literally just makes up numbers for Svoboda and Right Sectors and says they won seats.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Ukraine-Elections-Boost-Far-Right-20141027-0004.html
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« Reply #108 on: October 27, 2014, 04:19:29 PM »

Sounds like a Snowstalker post.
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« Reply #109 on: October 27, 2014, 06:36:28 PM »
« Edited: October 27, 2014, 07:10:39 PM by ag »

80.84% reporting

Popular Front (Yatsenyuk/Turchinov) 21.94%
Poroshenko Bloc 21.61%
Samopomich 11.03%
Opposition Bloc 9.53%
Radical Party (Lyashko) 7.43%
Batkivshchina (Timoshenko) 5.69%
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Svoboda 4.70%
Communists 3.92%
Strong Ukraine (Tihipko) 3.14%
Hromadyanska Poziciya (Hrytsenko) 3.12%
Agrarian Union Zastup 2.73%
Right Sector 1.83%
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« Reply #110 on: October 27, 2014, 06:55:16 PM »
« Edited: October 27, 2014, 07:00:10 PM by ag »

FPTP constituencies so far leading

Independents 97
Poroshenko Bloc 62
Popular Front 20
Svoboda 6
Opposition Bloc 2
Batkivshchina 2
Strong Ukraine 2
Samopomich 1
Right Sector 1
Volya 1
Zastup 1

And the number of women on this list is down to 2 (both from Lviv, one from Samopomich, 1 from Prosohenko´s Bloc).
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« Reply #111 on: October 27, 2014, 06:59:08 PM »

FPTP constituencies so far leading

Independents 97
Poroshenko Bloc 62
Popular Front 20
Svoboda 6
Opposition Bloc 2
Batkivshchina 2
Strong Ukraine 2
Samopomich 1
Right Sector 1
Volya 1
Zastup 1

I assume Independents are mostly Oligarchs supported forces.
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« Reply #112 on: October 27, 2014, 07:09:22 PM »

FPTP constituencies so far leading

Independents 97
Poroshenko Bloc 62
Popular Front 20
Svoboda 6
Opposition Bloc 2
Batkivshchina 2
Strong Ukraine 2
Samopomich 1
Right Sector 1
Volya 1
Zastup 1

I assume Independents are mostly Oligarchs supported forces.

Wide variety. Many are longtime MPs, many of them from the erstwhile PR. Some are field commanders, who did not join any party. Etc., etc.
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« Reply #113 on: October 27, 2014, 08:31:53 PM »

Volya means Will, I think. Anyone got any idea who they are?
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« Reply #114 on: October 27, 2014, 10:31:41 PM »

Volya means Will, I think. Anyone got any idea who they are?

Freedom, actually. To Svoboda's Liberty.
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« Reply #115 on: October 27, 2014, 10:46:06 PM »

Volya means Will, I think. Anyone got any idea who they are?

Freedom, actually. To Svoboda's Liberty.

To be fair, all three concepts are sort of tied up with each other, and I might be missing nuances in the Ukrainian that aren't present in the Russian, but as a native Russian speaker who also speaks fluent English, I would say that Svoboda=Freedom, Volya=Will, and that Liberty would probably best be translated Vol'nost', which comes from the same root as 'Volya'.
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« Reply #116 on: October 27, 2014, 11:41:51 PM »

Volya means Will, I think. Anyone got any idea who they are?

Freedom, actually. To Svoboda's Liberty.

To be fair, all three concepts are sort of tied up with each other, and I might be missing nuances in the Ukrainian that aren't present in the Russian, but as a native Russian speaker who also speaks fluent English, I would say that Svoboda=Freedom, Volya=Will, and that Liberty would probably best be translated Vol'nost', which comes from the same root as 'Volya'.

Volya has multiple meanings in Russian. It is used in expressions like "last will" (последняя воля), it is true. But it is also used in expressions like "to set at liberty" (выпустить на волю). Given the words of the Ukrainian anthem ("Ще не вмерла України ні слава, ні воля") I would take the context to be the latter. Though, of course, the double meaning is there.
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« Reply #117 on: October 27, 2014, 11:44:29 PM »

83.33% reporting

Popular Front (Yatsenyuk/Turchinov) 22.01%
Poroshenko Bloc 21.64%
Samopomich 10.98%
Opposition Bloc 9.48%
Radical Party (Lyashko) 7.46%
Batkivshchina (Timoshenko) 5.69%
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Svoboda 4.69%
Communists 3.91%
Strong Ukraine (Tihipko) 3.15%
Hromadyanska Poziciya (Hrytsenko) 3.10%
Agrarian Union Zastup 2.74%
Right Sector 1.82%
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« Reply #118 on: October 28, 2014, 12:30:18 AM »

Volya party is apparently pro-Western. It ran its own candidates in constituencies but in the list section, it ran on the Samopomich list.
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« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2014, 09:31:13 AM »
« Edited: October 28, 2014, 11:52:42 AM by ag »

94.56% reporting

Popular Front (Yatsenyuk/Turchinov) 22.22%
Poroshenko Bloc 21.81%
Samopomich 11.01%
Opposition Bloc 9.29%
Radical Party (Lyashko) 7.44%
Batkivshchina (Timoshenko) 5.69%
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Svoboda 4.73%
Communists 3.84%
Hromadyanska Poziciya (Hrytsenko) 3.11%
Strong Ukraine (Tihipko) 3.09%
Agrarian Union Zastup 2.67%
Right Sector 1.81%
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« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2014, 01:18:59 PM »

How come the Poroshenko bloc won so many more seats than Popular Front despite the popular vote tie?
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« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2014, 01:53:11 PM »

How come the Poroshenko bloc won so many more seats than Popular Front despite the popular vote tie?

FPTP seats.
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« Reply #122 on: October 28, 2014, 02:44:37 PM »

How come the Poroshenko bloc won so many more seats than Popular Front despite the popular vote tie?

These are just the FPTP seats. Basically, there are 225 PR seats and 225 FPTP seats (of which 27 had no election this time due to Russian occupation of Crimea and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk, so they will stay vacant for the moment). Allocation of the PR seats is pending the final count.
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« Reply #123 on: October 28, 2014, 02:47:55 PM »

Nearly there. 96.08% reporting

Popular Front (Yatsenyuk/Turchinov) 22.22%
Poroshenko Bloc 21.81%
Samopomich 11.03%
Opposition Bloc 9.30%
Radical Party (Lyashko) 7.44%
Batkivshchina (Timoshenko) 5.69%
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Svoboda 4.73%
Communists 3.83%
Hromadyanska Poziciya (Hrytsenko) 3.11%
Strong Ukraine (Tihipko) 3.09%
Agrarian Union Zastup 2.66%
Right Sector 1.81%
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« Reply #124 on: October 28, 2014, 03:20:26 PM »

How come the Poroshenko bloc won so many more seats than Popular Front despite the popular vote tie?

These are just the FPTP seats. Basically, there are 225 PR seats and 225 FPTP seats (of which 27 had no election this time due to Russian occupation of Crimea and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk, so they will stay vacant for the moment). Allocation of the PR seats is pending the final count.

Given the closeness of the party list vote and the lopsidedness of the FPTP results though, the Poroshenko Bloc will be the largest party even when both are combined.
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