Well, does the Florida Democratic Party blow another one (through Crist?)
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  Well, does the Florida Democratic Party blow another one (through Crist?)
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« on: August 27, 2014, 11:51:06 AM »

I think we can agree that the FL Democratic Party is one of the worst statewide parties in the country, particularly with how important of a state FL is politically and nationally.  While Democrats have done well nationally in FL, the statewide Democratic Party has blown several races they shouldn't have lost over the years (particularly since Jeb Bush re-vamped the statewide GOP during his gov. tenure). 

Does the FL Democratic Party prove once again they have no chips on the table and no clue? Honestly, I think the answer already, is yes considering that Crist of all people is their candidate, and coming from Palm Beach County, I know plenty of hardcore Democrats there who hold their nose to him.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 12:07:05 PM »

This is the Florida Democratic Party. Of course it will blow another one.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 12:34:54 PM »

Polling showed Crist doing better than Nan Rich across the board, why are they "blowing" it?
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 01:03:20 PM »
« Edited: August 27, 2014, 04:39:39 PM by SJoyce of Harrenhal »

Crist performed well above his statewide average in Palm Beach County; his statewide victory margin was higher than average in Palm Beach, Gadsden, Miami-Dade, Broward, Orange, Hillsborough, and Leon, and lower in counties like Holmes, Calhoun, Suwannee, Bradford, and Gilchrist. In the end, Democrats are supporting Crist, and Rich's votes largely came from Dixiecrats who are just voting against the frontrunner.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 02:18:38 PM »

Congrats Governor Scott
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2014, 04:08:29 PM »


Crist could still win, but the Florida Democratic party has been lackluster for a long time.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2014, 04:30:46 PM »

Yeah, Crist is going to blow this.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2014, 04:50:23 PM »

This is the Florida Democratic Party. Of course it will blow another one.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2014, 06:18:18 PM »

I think it will be very close it's anyones race at this point.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2014, 07:20:09 PM »

Is this even a question? Of course they will. If there were a competent Democratic organization down there, they wouldn't have ended up with Crist as the nominee and the Democratic candidate would be leading Scott by 10 points.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2014, 10:53:32 PM »

Is this even a question? Of course they will. If there were a competent Democratic organization down there, they wouldn't have ended up with Crist as the nominee and the Democratic candidate would be leading Scott by 10 points.

If there was a competent Democratic organization here, we would've still ended up with Crist as the nominee. If we had had a competent Democratic organization for the past two decades, that's a different story. But the problems here are pervasive and long-term.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2014, 11:56:55 PM »

Is this even a question? Of course they will. If there were a competent Democratic organization down there, they wouldn't have ended up with Crist as the nominee and the Democratic candidate would be leading Scott by 10 points.

If there was a competent Democratic organization here, we would've still ended up with Crist as the nominee. If we had had a competent Democratic organization for the past two decades, that's a different story. But the problems here are pervasive and long-term.

That's what I meant. There is no excuse for the poor state of the Florida Democratic Party, certainly not after 2000.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 12:14:07 AM »

Is this even a question? Of course they will. If there were a competent Democratic organization down there, they wouldn't have ended up with Crist as the nominee and the Democratic candidate would be leading Scott by 10 points.

If there was a competent Democratic organization here, we would've still ended up with Crist as the nominee. If we had had a competent Democratic organization for the past two decades, that's a different story. But the problems here are pervasive and long-term.

That's what I meant. There is no excuse for the poor state of the Florida Democratic Party, certainly not after 2000.

The question is- will they ever turn their sh**t around? It could definitely take years, if not decades.
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2014, 02:30:58 AM »

Why exactly is the Florida Democratic Party so incompetent?
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2014, 06:47:21 AM »

Why exactly is the Florida Democratic Party so incompetent?

The FDP dominated state politics so long that they started thinking they were invincible, leading them to not invest in developing a bench or long-term political infrastructure. The Republicans, meanwhile, played hard, recruited well, and started to become a significant presence in the state legislature. In 1992, African-American Democrats teamed up with Republicans to redraw the maps, making a lot of solidly African-American districts but also weakening Democrats across the state. The decline of Dixiecrats sealed it in 1996, and the GOP has held the legislature ever since. The remaining Democrats are mostly liberals from South Florida, who lack statewide appeal, and Republicans have been successfully knocking out moderate Democratic House members. The way the districts are drawn accent the state's natural geographic gerrymander, dooming Democrats to being the minority in the legislature. Nobody listens to Democrats, because they're such a small minority and can't get their message out, and because they have so little influence, they're not worth influencing, and so top Democratic operatives leave the state for more fertile areas, or they just join the GOP. If Democrats could become relevant in the Senate and House, and if we could win some statewide races, we could regain some power, but Florida Republicans have a very good, well-moneyed operation, and Florida Dems just don't, and it perpetuates itself.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2014, 07:06:46 AM »
« Edited: August 28, 2014, 09:17:59 PM by sg0508 »

Why exactly is the Florida Democratic Party so incompetent?
Jeb Bush was smart.  He knew the state was changing and he completely re-shaped the statewide GOP, its workforce, etc.  Meanwhile, the statewide Democrats just got old and fat on their behinds.
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2014, 02:15:51 PM »

Crist has hinted at repealing the "right-to-work" law. That helps him.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 10:51:31 AM »

Why exactly is the Florida Democratic Party so incompetent?

The FDP dominated state politics so long that they started thinking they were invincible, leading them to not invest in developing a bench or long-term political infrastructure. The Republicans, meanwhile, played hard, recruited well, and started to become a significant presence in the state legislature. In 1992, African-American Democrats teamed up with Republicans to redraw the maps, making a lot of solidly African-American districts but also weakening Democrats across the state. The decline of Dixiecrats sealed it in 1996, and the GOP has held the legislature ever since. The remaining Democrats are mostly liberals from South Florida, who lack statewide appeal, and Republicans have been successfully knocking out moderate Democratic House members. The way the districts are drawn accent the state's natural geographic gerrymander, dooming Democrats to being the minority in the legislature. Nobody listens to Democrats, because they're such a small minority and can't get their message out, and because they have so little influence, they're not worth influencing, and so top Democratic operatives leave the state for more fertile areas, or they just join the GOP. If Democrats could become relevant in the Senate and House, and if we could win some statewide races, we could regain some power, but Florida Republicans have a very good, well-moneyed operation, and Florida Dems just don't, and it perpetuates itself.
If Democrats voted in Florida, Florida would be a D+3, not R+3 state. Its probably going to take something more than a large recession to dislodge the Republicans (who basically threw their guy under the bus and went with a new guy).
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2014, 11:25:48 AM »

Since Bill Nelson decided he didn't want to become Governor, Crist was the best bet Democrats have.

There are more people who will vote for him but not for Nan Rich than there are people who would vote for Nan Rich but not him.
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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2014, 11:54:00 AM »

They need to get their GOTV act together in the Gold Coast and invest in candidate recruitment at the local level.  The Ohio Democratic Party has a similar problem.  You can't just invest in rising stars once they've been elected to the State House.  They need to invest in people with potential who run for things like Mayor, City Council, County Sheriff/Commissioner/Auditor/Treasurer/Prosecutor, and city school board.  Then those folks can be groomed to run for state house and maybe even state senate down the road.  You build a bench from the bottom up, not the top down.  Additionally, well-liked local electeds are usually better candidates than random out-of-district folks with higher early name ID.   Lastly, anyone who helped cause the second FL-13 fiasco (forcing out Sykes) should be sacked, IMO.
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2014, 01:16:14 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if Crist lost because the Florida Democratic Party blew it with the 2010 Gubernatorial Election. I mean, the Republicans held onto the seat even though the nominee was a convicted felon.
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2014, 08:37:42 PM »

This is the Florida Democratic Party. Of course it will blow another one.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2014, 08:45:19 PM »

FL Dems might have been better off with a Sink/Scott rematch I can guarantee you that Sink would be faring a lot better than Crist is now.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2014, 07:26:34 PM »

If Crist loses tonight, then Florida Democrats will have to look at a whole new bench of candidates for 2018 and beyond. Ed Schultz just said if the FL Dems cant win with an unpopular Scott, then when will they?
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2014, 07:52:35 PM »

Rick Scott has just a 39% approval rating, that would be sad if he won again.
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