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« on: August 27, 2014, 05:29:22 PM »

So much time has been devoted to discussing scenarios where Clinton stomps her GOP opponents. But here's another question. What might a "Clinton loses" map look like? Obviously an "Obama loses" map from 2012 would have been FL + OH + VA + NH or CO. But Clinton would likely over-perform Obama in FL/OH, and under-perform him in CO. The PVIs will likely be different than in 2012.

So, what would a plausible "Clinton loses" map look like?
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 05:40:57 PM »



272-266

Can't see her holding VA and losing CO. I kept Florida but more of a chance she loses FL and keeps WI.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 07:02:15 PM »

I'll hypothesize Christie, because I believe by 2016 he'll be our best shot.  This would be a close Christie victory over Clintom scenario, IMO:



If Christie has a really favorable environment/everything goes his way, this could be his ceiling:

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2014, 12:45:22 PM »

A narrow Christie victory over Hillary



If he were to expand upon that, which would be unlikely

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2014, 12:50:15 PM »

The easiest path to victory for a Generic R:



Hillary: 263
Republican: 275
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 01:05:54 PM »

I think Rand Paul is the strongest Republican option. I could see him pulling this off against Clinton on a favorable night.



Rand Paul: 275 EVs
Hillary Clinton: 263 EVs

I could also see Scott Walker barely defeating Clinton if he can win re-election this year:



Scott Walker: 272 EVs
Hillary Clinton: 266 EVs
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 02:32:32 PM »




She barely loses Colorado, Ohio, and Virginia.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2014, 07:00:06 PM »

Here's a just barely loses map.

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2014, 08:37:12 PM »

I can't see a scenario where Clinton wins Florida but loses the election.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 10:00:08 PM »

How the hell does Colorado of all states go red with a guy like Rand Paul?
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »

How the hell does Colorado of all states go red with a guy like Rand Paul?
Pot and aversion to "dynasties". I knew hippies in Boulder who called me a Wyoming Republican who would vote Republican if the other choice was Hillary. Then again, I can't see Paul doing too well with neoconservatives in the springs against Hillary if they think we need to go to war over Syria, ISIS, Ukraine or something else. I think Hillary could do very  well in Colorado under the right set of circumstances. I do admit it's very hard to imagine right now but the D brand was as tainted this time in 2010 as is now.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 02:10:04 PM »

How the hell does Colorado of all states go red with a guy like Rand Paul?

Colorado has a very loud libertarian part of the electorate. It has a high floor for support by national standards but that floor is very close to its ceiling.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 09:43:59 PM »




She barely loses Colorado, Ohio, and Virginia.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 10:09:50 AM »

How the hell does Colorado of all states go red with a guy like Rand Paul?

Recent polls have him leading Hilary in Colorado and Nevada- mostly due to Hilary's weakness out west and Paul's strength.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 11:31:32 AM »



Hillary: 269
GOP:    269

The HoR will stay Republican, thus a Hillary loss.
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2014, 06:31:08 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2014, 06:36:46 PM by Likely Voter »

For 2016 the GOP strategy will start with Romney states+FL+OH...and that gets them 253.

Assuming no Wisconsin pol is on the GOP ballot, then they have 3 options:

1. VA + one of CO,IA, or NH (essentially the Romney strategy)
or
2. CO+IA+NH
or
3. PA (this is the big strategic decision for the GOP, do they put a serious effort into putting PA into play to give them another option).

Hard to say what is the best option, but I would say probably 1 with VA+CO

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