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« on: August 27, 2014, 08:10:00 PM »

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It was from the Twitter feed of these guys.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 09:07:46 PM »

They're right.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 09:24:58 PM »


Shut up. 

And it's a ridiculous statement.  Comparing cable TV to something that is necessary for a woman's sexual health and reproductive freedom?  Ugh... conservatives are truly perverse. 
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 09:45:34 PM »

It's a false equivalency. A better use for this comparison would be for Viagra or something.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 10:16:07 PM »

It's a false equivalency. A better use for this comparison would be for Viagra or something.

Ehhhh... I would tend to think condoms to be the correct comparison.  Obviously, condoms cost nothing compared to birth control pills, despite the latter being available to women being so inherently more important than the former being made available to a male.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2014, 11:17:50 PM »

It's a false equivalency. A better use for this comparison would be for Viagra or something.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I though, as well.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2014, 11:51:46 AM »

As embarrassingly horrible a statement as their views probably are on women generally. It's the unfortunate responsibility of the employer to provide health insurance in the USA, which is entirely different from an entertainment package, so the false equivalency is absolutely correct.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2014, 01:21:23 PM »

More like, if you landlord made a commitment to you upon hiring that he would pay for all utilities and then suddenly decided cable was no longer a utility and dropped it while keeping rent at the same rate.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2014, 01:55:23 PM »

More like, if you landlord made a commitment to you upon hiring that he would pay for all utilities and then suddenly decided cable was no longer a utility and dropped it while keeping rent at the same rate.
Actually it's more like a dispute over which channels are part of basic cable.
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2014, 01:57:56 PM »

Pretty close to accurate.
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 02:04:08 PM »

I don't know how I would vote in this poll, but I do support the idea of government support for some television (like PBS) and companies are supporting PBS by paying taxes. Perhaps this post is a little bit off topic however.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 11:05:05 PM »

It is in everyone's best interest for people who want to be on birth control but can't afford it to be on it. In a head-scratching irony, you'd think the "pro-life" crowd would be the biggest proponents of it.

You can't make that same case for access to cable TV.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2014, 11:26:36 AM »

Your boss should subsidize your cable television, i.e. they should pay you enough that you can actually afford cable television, to say nothing of all the necessities of life. Ideally your boss should just be expropriated, of course.
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 02:25:34 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2014, 03:10:45 PM »

It is in everyone's best interest for people who want to be on birth control but can't afford it to be on it. In a head-scratching irony, you'd think the "pro-life" crowd would be the biggest proponents of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_Vitae
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2014, 04:22:45 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2014, 04:28:28 PM by Lurker »

It is in everyone's best interest for people who want to be on birth control but can't afford it to be on it. In a head-scratching irony, you'd think the "pro-life" crowd would be the biggest proponents of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_Vitae

An overwhelming majority of American Catholics (over 90%) do use contraception though, or have used it at various points. This is a battle the Church can never win (though of course, they can do a lot of damage by pointlessly fighting it).

Harry's  point is a good one: In Norway the social conservatives in the Christian People's Party have come around to that argument and now supports handing out birth control.
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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2014, 05:34:45 PM »

This point seems to be endlessly lost on the Atlas Forum, but the Catholic Church's teachings on contraception are not made to win elections to become more popular; they're made because the Church is run by Catholics who actually believe in them. Doctrine is not determined by political calculations. The synod of bishops in Rome does not operate like the RNC, continually asking what changes need to made to its platform to attract swing voters. Unlike a political party, the Catholic Church has the burden of needing to actually believe in its teachings and is thus bound to them.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2014, 07:07:19 PM »

This point seems to be endlessly lost on the Atlas Forum, but the Catholic Church's teachings on contraception are not made to win elections to become more popular; they're made because the Church is run by Catholics who actually believe in them. Doctrine is not determined by political calculations. The synod of bishops in Rome does not operate like the RNC, continually asking what changes need to made to its platform to attract swing voters. Unlike a political party, the Catholic Church has the burden of needing to actually believe in its teachings and is thus bound to them.

Exactly.  Saying "No one comes to the Father but through Jesus Christ" is doctrinally sound but certainly not very popular.  Religious institutions don't care about votes.  Take a look at some Baptist eternal hellfire sermons......I don't think the RNC would advocate those either.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2014, 04:52:48 PM »

It's a false equivalency. A better use for this comparison would be for Viagra or something.

Compensation packages should be viewed holistically since they all ultimately boil down to the employer paying you. It doesn't really matter whether it's cash in your pocket, 401(k) matching, or a company car. What's relevant is the value of the compensation.

So depending on the value of the birth control foregone and the income of the individual, this can be anywhere from a trivial to significant inconvenience.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2014, 07:16:01 PM »

More like, if you landlord made a commitment to you upon hiring that he would pay for all utilities and then suddenly decided cable was no longer a utility and dropped it while keeping rent at the same rate.
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »

(we're not all like that)
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2014, 03:42:16 PM »

This point seems to be endlessly lost on the Atlas Forum, but the Catholic Church's teachings on contraception are not made to win elections to become more popular; they're made because the Church is run by Catholics who actually believe in them. Doctrine is not determined by political calculations. The synod of bishops in Rome does not operate like the RNC, continually asking what changes need to made to its platform to attract swing voters. Unlike a political party, the Catholic Church has the burden of needing to actually believe in its teachings and is thus bound to them.

The Catholic Church is a political institution though.

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