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« on: August 29, 2014, 02:34:50 PM »

I love this argument.  "Pat Buchanan might be a racist, anti-Semitic Hitler fanboy, but..."

Once that's on the table, who cares what this creep thinks?   Nobody has less credibility on foreign policy than someone who wrote a book trying to rehabilitate Adolph Hitler's reputation.  Do you actually take Pat Buchanan seriously?
Buchanan was very, very influential in the Nixon White House. His role was mostly focused around domestic political events, but the Nixon foreign policy achievements are among the greatest of the last century, and he was a senior advisor, so you know, maybe he does have a bit more street cred than you claim.....
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 05:08:16 PM »

I love this argument.  "Pat Buchanan might be a racist, anti-Semitic Hitler fanboy, but..."

Once that's on the table, who cares what this creep thinks?   Nobody has less credibility on foreign policy than someone who wrote a book trying to rehabilitate Adolph Hitler's reputation.  Do you actually take Pat Buchanan seriously?
Buchanan was very, very influential in the Nixon White House. His role was mostly focused around domestic political events, but the Nixon foreign policy achievements are among the greatest of the last century, and he was a senior advisor, so you know, maybe he does have a bit more street cred than you claim.....

Great...  Not only is this guy a rabid anti-Semite, racist and Hitler lover, but he worked in the Nixon White House too!?  Seriously, if you're angry at Obama for foreign wars, civil liberties violations and such, wasn't Nixon 800,000 times worse?
Just about even. Nixon's use of bugging was a continuation of Kennedy/Johnson policies. Nixon also at least made an effort to end the Vietnam War where as Obama has dragged his feet in Afghanistan (though, to his credit, he got us out of Iraq), and finally, Obama is just generally incompetent. Beet said it best today, even though I disagree with his angle:

Will the heavens open up and a light beam shine on the messiah to lift him up into the skies? Is that how far above it all he is?

He has always been this way (see the 2012 domestic policy debate between him and Mitt) but the enthusiasm of his supporters and historical events have always allowed him to get away with it, and come away looking cool and collected. During 2012, Bill Clinton made the case for him since he wouldn't do it himself. He probably thinks the American people aren't worthy of being convinced by his majesty.

This year however, has been annus horribilis. Obama is totally paralyzed in the Middle East, as he has been since 2011. The vacuum of U.S. support for moderate rebels in Syria has allowed ISIS to revive itself from the near death it was at when Obama came into office. Now the U.S. has no one to support, and Osama bin Laden's dream of a translational Islamist caliphate is reality. China has been increasingly aggressive ever since Obama came into office, and relations are now at their lowest point since 1972. Obama's pivot to Asia now looks either premature or a half-hearted attempt at containment. Russia- I need not even speak of this. One needs only to watch the professor lecturing Mitt Romney during 2012 about Russia's benevolence. ag is right about Russia- Putin is a bully who will only make more and more land grabs so long as he is allowed to get away with it. And Obama has more or less said he is going to let Putin do it. I guess that's what he meant by a "reset." Israel-Palestine is as bad as ever. No U.S. Secretary of State has been so openly mocked, insulted, humiliated, and disrespected by the Israeli government than John Forbes Kerry, a man who wanted the SoS job in the first place so he could help Israel and Palestine resolve their conflict. Obama has failed to stand up to his man in the State Department and shown the complete impotence of the U.S. foreign ministry, as well as his administration, in influencing Israel.

And finally ebola- international organizations have been screaming about this for months. Obama has never said a word about this, as far as I can tell, it is not even on his radar, even now. International organizations are overwhelmed. The fact of the matter is, the U.S. ought to be a world leader in the response here (as the most advanced biotechnological nation), and it is in our interest to respond because it is only going to get more costly the bigger it blows.

These things are all getting worse every day.

And where is Obama? Golfing.

Nixon achieved an arms agreement with Russia. Obama is mocked by Russia. Nixon silently let Israel do as they pleased with quiet military support-Obama just talks about peace yet has made no effort to assist either side.

Finally, you make a fair point that Buchanan is an anti-Semite. That is well documented, and even supporters like me won’t refute this. But was he right on non-intervention? Yes. Not wanting war with Hitler does not equate to supporting Hitler. But that is another debate for another time.

Of course he'd say this. He's in the same tradition as isolationists such as Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, Charles Lindbergh and Bob Taft, before the Cold War made conservatives into temporary internationalists.
...what?
I didn't get that either, but the point wasn't bad on the whole.
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