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« on: August 29, 2014, 01:28:23 PM »

In typical American fashion.

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 01:31:18 PM »

Republicans certainly won the rhetoric war when they got Right to Work.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 01:35:32 PM »

Right To Work is one of those cases where people support it by its name, not its content (which they are wholly ignorant of).  Congrats on the successful branding, conservatives.

Witness the same thing but in reverse with Obamacare.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 01:53:47 PM »

Excellent choice of name, I must say. Excellent news, I suppose, but the unions still need to be smashed.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 02:02:50 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 02:04:05 PM »
« Edited: August 29, 2014, 02:19:26 PM by They call me PR »

Most Americans (ie non-rich people) are more aligned with the policy platform of the Democratic Party. They just don't know it-or rather, they haven't made the connection between specific policies that they approve of and the fact that the Democratic Party is more supportive of said policies.

Not necessarily their fault, either; most people don't have the  time or inclination to understand the technical nuances or implications of Obamacare or whatever legislation is passed. And the mass media and the GOP's cute focus group-tested slogans like "Right to Work"  certainly don't help matters.

Republicans certainly have better PR than Democrats-assuming that one excludes groups that will never vote Republican from consideration (eg: minorities).
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 02:44:36 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 02:51:00 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

Democratic candidates?
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 02:53:51 PM »

Republicans certainly won the rhetoric war when they got Right to Work.

They always do. Patriot Act, Right To Work, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2014, 03:51:48 PM »

Republicans certainly won the rhetoric war when they got Right to Work.

They always do. Patriot Act, Right To Work, etc.

Republicans are the business crowd and they certainly sell their agenda as such.  And 2/3 of Americans have no idea what Right To Work laws are. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 04:21:17 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

Democratic candidates?

Well, overestimating, I'd say.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 05:11:19 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

A large segment of the American public generally supports unions but also believes people should have the choice not to join them.  This makes them stupid how?   Right to work laws don't ban unions.   If people were truly convinced that joining a union was in their best interest, right to work laws would be irrelevant.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 05:20:05 PM »

People support minimum wage - See people want to raise the minimum wage, dumb conservatives.

People support Right-to-Work - Well, people just don't know what right to work is.

^^ Posters on this forum.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 05:23:08 PM »

People support minimum wage - See people want to raise the minimum wage, dumb conservatives.

People support Right-to-Work - Well, people just don't know what right to work is.

^^ Posters on this forum.

Indeed.

Rule of thumb:  If you are an Atlas poster, you are more informed than at least 90% of the electorate.  Ignorance of legislation is bipartisan.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2014, 05:25:14 PM »

People support minimum wage - See people want to raise the minimum wage, dumb conservatives.

People support Right-to-Work - Well, people just don't know what right to work is.

^^ Posters on this forum.

Apt. The union approval is still way too high. I thought everyone these days knew the unions are malevolent parasites on the economy?
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2014, 05:34:36 PM »

People support minimum wage - See people want to raise the minimum wage, dumb conservatives.

People support Right-to-Work - Well, people just don't know what right to work is.

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Apt. The union approval is still way too high. I thought everyone these days knew the unions are malevolent parasites on the economy?

Oh my. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2014, 05:46:10 PM »

Does Gallup even know what a "right-to-work" law is? They asked whether people would support a law that says people don't have to join a union. That's not a "right-to-work" law. There's already a federal law like this.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2014, 06:40:58 PM »

Does Gallup even know what a "right-to-work" law is? They asked whether people would support a law that says people don't have to join a union. That's not a "right-to-work" law. There's already a federal law like this.

If they phrase it that way, they're still going to get 75% approval.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2014, 06:46:36 PM »

They should ask "Do you support a poverty wage law?"
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2014, 07:21:28 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

A large segment of the American public generally supports unions but also believes people should have the choice not to join them.  This makes them stupid how?   Right to work laws don't ban unions.   If people were truly convinced that joining a union was in their best interest, right to work laws would be irrelevant.

Plenty of industries -- like domestic work, most retailing and food service-- are non-union.  Anyone who thoroughly loathes unions is welcome to work where unions are rare. Usually the pay is atrocious, but that is another story.
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2014, 08:38:35 PM »


I guess I'm in the majority, more or less.  I support the right of unions to exist, but I'm also a big fan of right to work laws.  You can have a union, but I'll thank you not to force me to be in it to have a gig.  Calling it "typical american" seems odd, though, because we're usually not accused of subtlety.

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2014, 08:41:56 PM »

I guess I'm in the majority, more or less.  I support the right of unions to exist, but I'm also a big fan of right to work laws.  You can have a union, but I'll thank you not to force me to be in it to have a gig.

Even without a so-called "right-to-work" law, you don't have to join a union.
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 09:44:05 PM »

"Right to work" has a warm fuzzy sounding name that has nothing to do with what it actually is. The lying name is nothing new. For example, MLK Jr. condemned them.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 09:56:36 PM »

Well, yes, no one's ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

A large segment of the American public generally supports unions but also believes people should have the choice not to join them.  This makes them stupid how?   Right to work laws don't ban unions.   If people were truly convinced that joining a union was in their best interest, right to work laws would be irrelevant.
This poll asked whether people support RTW, not whether they think you should have to join a union.
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 09:58:59 PM »

I still find it amazing that only 1/3 of Republicans support the existence of unions.  Most if not all of the conservative-leaning people I've talked to acknowledge the need for workers to have representation, but then again, I live in New Jersey. 
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