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« on: August 29, 2014, 02:44:51 PM »

Parliamentary all the way
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 02:51:59 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 03:25:13 PM »

write-in: workers' councils
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 04:40:51 PM »

Presidential


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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 05:07:28 PM »

Parliamentary.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 05:09:24 PM »

The Parliamentary system works well in Britain, but it isn't for America and should never replace our current system.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 06:22:38 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 07:06:58 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 07:18:37 PM »

Semi-Presidential.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2014, 07:41:40 PM »

Someone care to explain what a semi-presidential system is?
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 07:49:50 PM »

*looks at the do-nothing, good-for-nothing 112th and 113th Congresses*

Presidential all the way.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »

Someone care to explain what a semi-presidential system is?

The President, who is the head of state, appoints the Prime Minister (and can't dismiss him), who is the Head of Government. So the two roles are distributed between the two offices.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 08:55:18 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 08:56:34 PM »

Parliamentary is objectively better
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 01:48:45 AM »

Someone care to explain what a semi-presidential system is?

The President, who is the head of state, appoints the Prime Minister (and can't dismiss him), who is the Head of Government. So the two roles are distributed between the two offices.

Is there such a thing as a parliamentary system with a Prime Minister (head of government) who is also the head of state? A parliamentary system with just a PM and no additional/separate Monarch or President is what I mean.
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2014, 02:18:52 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2014, 04:00:18 AM »

Someone care to explain what a semi-presidential system is?

The President, who is the head of state, appoints the Prime Minister (and can't dismiss him), who is the Head of Government. So the two roles are distributed between the two offices.

Is there such a thing as a parliamentary system with a Prime Minister (head of government) who is also the head of state? A parliamentary system with just a PM and no additional/separate Monarch or President is what I mean.

I suppose the closest thing would be South Africa, which has an executive "President" chosen how most Prime Ministers are, the legislative branch.
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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 08:40:03 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2014, 01:00:57 PM »

The parliamentary system is far better. At the least, it establishes a certain point of accountability.
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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2014, 01:02:52 PM »

*looks at the do-nothing, good-for-nothing 112th and 113th Congresses*

Presidential all the way.
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Do you know anything about the operations of a parliamentary system at all?
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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2014, 03:45:46 PM »

*looks at the do-nothing, good-for-nothing 112th and 113th Congresses*

Presidential all the way.
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Do you know anything about the operations of a parliamentary system at all?

Maybe he prefers a President Obama to a hypothetical Prime Minister Boehner.
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2014, 03:49:55 PM »

*looks at the do-nothing, good-for-nothing 112th and 113th Congresses*

Presidential all the way.
lol

Do you know anything about the operations of a parliamentary system at all?

Maybe he prefers a President Obama to a hypothetical Prime Minister Boehner.
Would the Tea Party be able to force a snap election in 2010? Would Boehner even last a year as Prime Minister?
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2014, 04:19:14 PM »

*looks at the do-nothing, good-for-nothing 112th and 113th Congresses*

Presidential all the way.
lol

Do you know anything about the operations of a parliamentary system at all?

Maybe he prefers a President Obama to a hypothetical Prime Minister Boehner.
Would the Tea Party be able to force a snap election in 2010?

You mean by filibustering the Senate? It's possible. Something similar happened in 1975 in Australia when the Coalition (Liberals and Nationals, the conservatives) were blocking appropriations bills in the Senate in order to force Prime Minister and Labor Party Leader Gough Whitlam to call an election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

What ended up happening is that the Prime Minister was dismissed by the Governor-General (the Australian representative for the Queen) who then appointed the Opposition Leader and Liberal Party Leader Malcolm Fraser as the new Prime Minister. Fraser got the bills passed to fund the government and then there was a double-dissolution where both houses of Parliament were completely dissolved and a new election was held.

Would Boehner even last a year as Prime Minister?

Probably not.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2014, 12:52:58 AM »

What ended up happening is that the Prime Minister was dismissed by the Governor-General (the Australian representative for the Queen) who then appointed the Opposition Leader and Liberal Party Leader Malcolm Fraser as the new Prime Minister. Fraser got the bills passed to fund the government and then there was a double-dissolution where both houses of Parliament were completely dissolved and a new election was held.

It's always nice to see a Governor General or Queen actually break out of the figurehead mode and enact some real power. I guess that obviously made people upset, though.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2014, 05:39:16 AM »

Semi-presidential. I prefer most features of parliamentary systems - aside from the lack of a directly elected executive - but I'm not sure why so many people believe that the case for them is an obvious one.

Semi-presidential is by far the worst of the three. It combines the flaws of the other two without any of the advantages.
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