Federal Marriage Amendment (Tabled)

[bore]

I've said before that I oppose both incest and polygamy, and that I find the "it's a regional matter" a form of moral cowardice. But this is a game, not real life. And to be fun as a game there have to be things the regions alone deal with.

Except this, I don't agree with this.

I didn't mean every instance of this, for instance I can certainly see how someone might think that planning law, or healthcare is better legislated at closer to the ground. But when it comes to moral issues IRL saying it's a regional matter ducks the question for me.

[Goldwater]

AYE

[TNF]

This has enough votes to be tabled. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I've said before that I oppose both incest and polygamy, and that I find the "it's a regional matter" a form of moral cowardice. But this is a game, not real life. And to be fun as a game there have to be things the regions alone deal with.

Except this, I don't agree with this.

I didn't mean every instance of this, for instance I can certainly see how someone might think that planning law, or healthcare is better legislated at closer to the ground. But when it comes to moral issues IRL saying it's a regional matter ducks the question for me.

It is inherently a judgment regarding the person advocating for the position. Is it for political reasons, is because it is easier to not have to deal with, is it a general preference to keep as much as local as possible and this is just the next vote to apply such, or finally is it a philosophical belief that marriage is not for the Feds to regulate.

Certainly the last one can be respected if the former ones cannot, and I generally try see a reasonable motivation before an unreasonable one is automatically presumed to be the case.

[TNF]

With six votes in the affirmative, two votes opposed, one abstention, and one not voting, the Federal Marriage Amendment has been tabled.

Aye(s): President Pro Tempore TNF, Senator Cynic, Senator bore, Senator Cranberry, Senator Spiral
Nay(s): Senator Lumine, Senator Cassius
Abstaining: Senator North Carolina Yankee
Not voting: Senator Alfred F. Jones

[bore]

You've forgotten about goldwater

[DemPGH]

I hope child porn isn't legal in the Northeast. Or is it? I don't think things have been pushed that far yet.

If you want to talk about RL seeping in Dem, I would also like to point out that almost no one in RL America would argue in favor of a 20 hour work week.  Hell Dennis Kucinich might be in favor of a 28 hour work week, and that is only so he would have enough time to look for UFOs.

Hey, I'm just saying!

Yeah, or bigfoot, lol. I'm actually against a 20 hour work week as well and in the thread where that was being debated (that bill was tabled) I referenced that the best scenario in the developed world is around 29 hours for a work week. I'd be willing to enact a 28 hour work week for Atlasia, but no lower.

[Cranberry]

I hope child porn isn't legal in the Northeast. Or is it? I don't think things have been pushed that far yet.

If you want to talk about RL seeping in Dem, I would also like to point out that almost no one in RL America would argue in favor of a 20 hour work week.  Hell Dennis Kucinich might be in favor of a 28 hour work week, and that is only so he would have enough time to look for UFOs.

Hey, I'm just saying!

Yeah, or bigfoot, lol. I'm actually against a 20 hour work week as well and in the thread where that was being debated (that bill was tabled) I referenced that the best scenario in the developed world is around 29 hours for a work week. I'd be willing to enact a 28 hour work week for Atlasia, but no lower.

Wait, how many hours does the work week (currently) have in Atlasia?

[DemPGH]

I think it's 32 hours, although someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I've always been told 32. I took a quick look at the statutes and can't really find it.

[Cranberry]

Call me a reactionary or whatever you want to call me, but 32 hours is the bottom level we can go without experiencing serious economical problems. I hope that with this rule there is an option for working more if you want to?

[Lumine]

Call me a reactionary or whatever you want to call me, but 32 hours is the bottom level we can go without experiencing serious economical problems. I hope that with this rule there is an option for working more if you want to?

It's one of those extremes we often reach in Atlasia, we really need to repeal a couple of bills and increase the workweek unless we want the economy to collapse... (I guees I'll check the statue as well)

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Motion to have an up or down vote and resind the tableing?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Motion to have an up or down vote and resind the tableing?

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it would have to be reintroduced.

[TNF]

This bill is dead, and rightfully so.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Consider it reintroduced as of right now.

[TNF]

Consider it reintroduced as of right now.

You have to reintroduce it in the queue in order for the bill to be reintroduced. Please spend at least five minutes reading the Official Senate Rules and Procedures before wasting everyone's time with your absurd missives.

[bore]

I'm confused. JCL said he didn't support this bill, it obviously will not pass the senate, and yet he wants it reintroduced?

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Consider it reintroduced as of right now.

It's still dead... I'm not a fan of the recognition of polygamy and its legal mine-field and the legitimate issues around incestuous relationship but the it has no place in the Constitution.

[Deus Naturae]

Just FTR, child porn is not legal in the Northeast. It is legal for children to buy porn, though the fine merchants who sell such material may refuse to sell to them.

[Dr. Cynic]

This isn't going to pass. It will continue to be tabled, so why waste your own time?

[Mechaman]

This isn't going to pass. It will continue to be tabled, so why waste your own time?

Maybe he'll listen if someone cites a verse from Leviticus that supports tabling the bill?

Or how about Genesis chapter 2, where Adam bangs a woman who was literally made from one of his "ribs"?  If you think about it that is technically father-daughter incest.

Some of you are just so ungrateful about what inbreeders have given to the world (civilization for starters)!

[Mechaman]

Call me a reactionary or whatever you want to call me, but 32 hours is the bottom level we can go without experiencing serious economical problems. I hope that with this rule there is an option for working more if you want to?

Most likely there is and maybe the intent is to subtly raise incomes for Atlasians by making it to where they only have to work 20 hours to get to overtime.  But of course that ignores a pretty obvious question: Who the hell would want to work more than they have to?

[Adam Griffin]

The Atlasian economy has been on a completely different trajectory than that of the real-life US for a decade now. Sure, gradual yet cumulatively-massive adjustments to our employment and the economy have been made during this time, but there is no economic evidence to suggest that a 32-hour work week has been detrimental to the national economy.

The average Atlasian minimum wage worker earns 165% that of a real-life US worker per hour (to my knowledge, the Right Wages for the Right Regions provisions haven't been utilized by any region); couple that with basic economic indicators like inflation that have been available at times through the GM's office, and evidence would suggest that the purchasing power of the average citizen is much stronger than in the real world with our current 32-hour work week.

Some basic math would suggest that the effective weekly earnings for someone who is earning minimum wage while working 32 hours per week in Atlasia is comparable to someone who is earning $9.60 per hour while working 40 hours per week in real-life.

[Mechaman]

The Atlasian economy has been on a completely different trajectory than that of the real-life US for a decade now. Sure, gradual yet cumulatively-massive adjustments to our employment and the economy have been made during this time, but there is no economic evidence to suggest that a 32-hour work week has been detrimental to the national economy.

The average Atlasian minimum wage worker earns 165% that of a real-life US worker per hour (to my knowledge, the Right Wages for the Right Regions provisions haven't been utilized by any region); couple that with basic economic indicators like inflation that have been available at times through the GM's office, and evidence would suggest that the purchasing power of the average citizen is much stronger than in the real world with our current 32-hour work week.

Some basic math would suggest that the effective weekly earnings for someone who is earning minimum wage while working 32 hours per week in Atlasia is comparable to someone who is earning $9.60 per hour while working 40 hours per week in real-life.

I don't believe anybody (especially the left wingers in this thread) was debating whether or not a 32 hour workweek was unviable.  I myself would prefer if we actually had a 28 hour workweek (7 hours a day, four days a week) with overtime to kick in after 28.  I don't have the math or the science to say "yes this will cure cancer" but for a center left nation it's both doable and won't completely wreck the economy.

20 hour workweeks though?  Under an system that is at least vaguely capitalist?  The Bachelor of Accounting in me senses that would cause too much chaos.  Of course, this is hard for some of you to understand, given that there are literally no real life consequences to this game.

Of course my point is, you guys might as well have your damn revolution rather than come out with these insane ideas.

[Adam Griffin]

The Atlasian economy has been on a completely different trajectory than that of the real-life US for a decade now. Sure, gradual yet cumulatively-massive adjustments to our employment and the economy have been made during this time, but there is no economic evidence to suggest that a 32-hour work week has been detrimental to the national economy.

The average Atlasian minimum wage worker earns 165% that of a real-life US worker per hour (to my knowledge, the Right Wages for the Right Regions provisions haven't been utilized by any region); couple that with basic economic indicators like inflation that have been available at times through the GM's office, and evidence would suggest that the purchasing power of the average citizen is much stronger than in the real world with our current 32-hour work week.

Some basic math would suggest that the effective weekly earnings for someone who is earning minimum wage while working 32 hours per week in Atlasia is comparable to someone who is earning $9.60 per hour while working 40 hours per week in real-life.

I don't believe anybody (especially the left wingers in this thread) was debating whether or not a 32 hour workweek was unviable.  I myself would prefer if we actually had a 28 hour workweek (7 hours a day, four days a week) with overtime to kick in after 28.  I don't have the math or the science to say "yes this will cure cancer" but for a center left nation it's both doable and won't completely wreck the economy.

20 hour workweeks though?  Under an system that is at least vaguely capitalist?  The Bachelor of Accounting in me senses that would cause too much chaos.  Of course, this is hard for some of you to understand, given that there are literally no real life consequences to this game.

Of course my point is, you guys might as well have your damn revolution rather than come out with these insane ideas.

Oh, I just jumped in on the tail-end of this discussion and wanted to make sure we weren't considering raising the minimum work-week, due to the economic situation already being better as-is with 32 hours at minimum wage than it is in real-life with 40 hours at minimum wage.

And what a Glorious Revolution it has been.