Israel steals another 1000 acres of the West Bank

[Lurker]

Guys, Israel is the rightful sovereign over the West Bank. Do their leaders do stupid things? Yes. We should have a One State Solution. Israel with full religious freedom and Muslims give control of the Temple Mount to the Jews.

This is just utterly moronic. Not even the US government would argue that.

[ag]

Guys, Israel is the rightful sovereign over the West Bank. Do their leaders do stupid things? Yes. We should have a One State Solution. Israel with full religious freedom and Muslims give control of the Temple Mount to the Jews.

This is just utterly moronic. Not even the US government would argue that.

Neither has any Israeli government.

The issue there is, of course, not the religious freedom (Jews do not prozelitize among the gentiles), but the right to vote. Even adding just the West Bank would, pretty much, guarantee the Arab parties 30-40 Knesset seats. Even if that is 30, a Zionist government would need 2/3 of the Jews. That is why they have never annexed.

[swl]

No one can't deny that Israel is trying to make moderate Palestinians irrelevant. Abbas and the PA keep being backstabbed. Israel should now better, they keep humiliating the PA while the Hamas gets what it wants. It's going to blow up in their face at some point, figuratively and maybe literally...

[Indy Texas]

No one can't deny that Israel is trying to make moderate Palestinians irrelevant. Abbas and the PA keep being backstabbed. Israel should now better, they keep humiliating the PA while the Hamas gets what it wants. It's going to blow up in their face at some point, figuratively and maybe literally...

They don't want a Palestinian government that is willing to negotiate because that would require them to actually negotiate with them. So Abbas et al sits in Ramallah cashing US checks while having no wherewithal to actually do anything (supposedly the Abbas family has left the country and is in Jordan) while Israel insists it won't negotiate with Hamas politically but engages them militarily constantly.

If they want to weaken Hamas, they have to strengthen their rival. That would require giving more autonomy to the West Bank and more power to the PA. But that would require giving up the West Bank.

It appears that having rockets fired at their civilians constantly is the price that Israel is willing to pay for clinging to a racist and revanchist conception of what Israel should look like.

[MaxQue]

It's not than the Israeli government doesn't want to negociate. It can't.

Settlers + nationalists + theocrats have too much political weight (and a much higher birth rate).

[Indy Texas]

It's not than the Israeli government doesn't want to negociate. It can't.

Settlers + nationalists + theocrats have too much political weight (and a much higher birth rate).

And whose fault is that? Israel didn't have to allow their citizens to settle in "Judaea and Samaria." Israel didn't have to allow any and all people with a Jewish great-great-grandmother the unconditional right to immigrate there. In democracies, people get the government they deserve and governments get the constituencies they deserve.

[Hnv1]

It's not than the Israeli government doesn't want to negociate. It can't.

Settlers + nationalists + theocrats have too much political weight (and a much higher birth rate).

It's all to convenient, bottom line they are together still not a majority. Without American pressure the mainstream of the Israeli society will not feel to eager to go forward feeling the status quo is more safe at the moment. But with the feeble administration in DC and Kerry's bad direction nothing will ever move. All of that does reduce the faults from Bibi's terrible administration   

[Indy Texas]

Israel claims they did this to "get back" at the murderers of the abducted seminary students.

I agree that comparisons to Nazi Germany are inappropriate. Not even South Africa works in this particular case.

This is more like Zimbabwe's confiscation of white farmers' land. No justice or rule of law. Just collective punishment designed to appeal to the majority's most base emotions. Mugabe wanted to "stick it to The Man." Israel wants to provoke the "Big Bad Arabs."

It's more proof that try as it might, Israel isn't the Western liberal society it pretends it is. It's just another post-colonial state built on the resentment of identity politics.

[Person Man]

The Palestinian ghetto gets smaller and smaller. When is liquidation day? [/antisemitic]

Yeah, idiotic hyperbole like this isn't really helping your cause.

All the right people hear the dogwhistles. That's what matters to the "Israel is the new Nazis" crew.

Yet, what is your opinion on the subject?

My opinion is that comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is hate speech.

Yes. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany should be banned.

Are you sure you would prefer the comparison to South Africa and the bantustans? Or with the Russian Empire and the Pale?

True, these might be more appropriate.  But also more dangerous for Israel.

They are more appropriate.  With rare exceptions, even ultra-Zionists don't want to kill the Untermenschen, they just want them to go someplace else and forget that there ever was such a thing as a Palestinian identity.   I don't see either ever happening now, and the Zionists better hope that the latter never happens.  If the Arab world ever does truly unite, Israel is doomed.

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