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« on: September 01, 2014, 11:31:50 PM »

All that needs to be said about this:
http://time.com/3248313/jennifer-lawrence-icloud-leak-sexism/

Apparently this was all a hacking of Apple's iCloud service, which automatically backs up all photos taken on iPhones even after they've been deleted on the device. Proving the NSA is not the biggest privacy concern one should have today.

Precisely. The NSA is big, but the loss of privacy is far bigger than the NSA.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 11:51:03 PM »

Where are all the hacked pictures of naked male celebrities? Justin Bieber's phone is pretty safe since 16 year old girls probably aren't great hackers. If naked pics of him got out there you probably wouldn't be able to miss the cries of teenage girls everywhere.

What a lazy article that cheaply tries to capitalize on current events to tie disparate things together to concern troll. Middle school book reports probably require more paragraphs.

Funny that you talk about "lazy" when your reply to the article only responds to the headline, which is never actually talked about in the article itself.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 12:03:11 AM »

Where are all the hacked pictures of naked male celebrities? Justin Bieber's phone is pretty safe since 16 year old girls probably aren't great hackers. If naked pics of him got out there you probably wouldn't be able to miss the cries of teenage girls everywhere.

What a lazy article that cheaply tries to capitalize on current events to tie disparate things together to concern troll. Middle school book reports probably require more paragraphs.

Funny that you talk about "lazy" when your reply to the article only responds to the headline, which is never actually talked about in the article itself.

The headline is the only interesting thing to respond to since the vast majority of the article is nothing. "Jennifer Lawrence's phone got hacked, other people are harassed and bullied out of the workforce because of stuff like this, imagine how she must feel." A perfectly fine piece could've been written about the shame of being humiliated from having these things stolen from your personal life without making it about sexism and trying to tie it to completely unrelated events that actually are evidence of sexism.

Of course it's sexist, because there is a greater societal fascination with naked womens' bodies than mens', as a part of womens' greater objectification. You're old enough to remember Paris Hilton; since when has there been that much interest in the sex tape of a male celebrity? Speculating about what might happen in an alternate universe (where a 16 y.o. girl hacks Justin Bieber's photos) isn't a rebuttal to an overwhelming and undeniable social phenomenon.

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Lol, really? Do you know what I'm doing right now between responding to you? (no, it has nothing to do with the pics in question)

The fact that our society is increasingly tech-dominated and that tech is heavily male-dominated, is a separate issue, but it further reinforces mens' power over women. That's more of a reinforcement as to how this is a gender issue, which you pointed out (not me). So thanks for making my point for me.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 12:42:19 AM »

Everyone is objectified and sexualized in different ways. I've stood in lines for enough Twilight movies to know that some young girls will practically grope themselves in public over Team Edward and Team Jacob. I've been in enough check-out lines to see that the "who's f**king who" of tabloid journalism is pretty equal-opportunity. Were you crying foul when Levi Johnston was getting porn offers? Jennifer Lawrence is a famous woman of the moment in unfortunate circumstances. The frenzy would be there either way.

The article isn't questioning why there's a frenzy, rather it concludes that, "Like the rest of us privacy-respecting citizens, [Lawrence's] biggest problem is that she is forced to share the planet with the likes of this excuse for a human being, who used all that talent and creativity for bad, in a world that so desperately needs it for good."

The nature of tabloid journalism is low. Why feed it? Why does Eraserhead have to post this in the frame of a "public service announcement"? Just because other people are doing it, it doesn't mean we have to follow unquestioningly.

And of course men are objectified too, but not to the same extent women are. Women are also disproportionately targeted when you narrow the scope from general objectification to violation of privacy through sharing of unwanted photos of a sexual nature.

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There's been a few, but not as many as for female celebrities and they tend to get less attention.

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We don't know who they are. Why are you jumping to conclusions?

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Wait, I post one article that points out that maybe there is sexism involved in a leak with overwhelmingly female celebrities and you interpret that as saying that "everything that happens to a woman is part of society's grand misogynist bent"? The irony here is that when realisticidealist pointed out that Justin Verlander had his nude photos leaked too, Eraserhead immediately came in to swat him down and assert that his girlfriend's pics were more important.

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Alright then, don't accuse me of being motivated by prudishness.

The fact of the matter is, one doesn't have to look at the photos. I haven't looked at them, nor has not looking at them taken a great deal of willpower. Who cares? I've seen plenty of images of womens' bodies, freely offered. I'm sure the bodies of celebrities look pretty much the same. Participating in this kind of violation is privacy is wrong, and not worth it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 01:16:28 AM »

My main issue with the article is that it could've made that exact same point without doing a surface-level google search for other goings-on in the news right now including women, throwing it into the same basket and saying "because sexists." I think the obsession with getting the naked pics is creepy, but if there was a Taylor Lautner sex tape I'm not going to lie to you and say I wouldn't be tempted. Being motivated by sex is not inherently misogynist or misandrist.

Except if you'd read the article, you'd know the author argues that this isn't motivated by sex. If a hacker was motivated by a sexual desire just to see the images, why would they share them? The author's argument is that sharing these photos on the Internet is an assertion of power and violation, and that this is the real motivation, and I agree with it. It's the same thing that motivates street harassment, revenge porn, and creepshots. It's not really about sex, or at least not only about sex, a part of the titillation is the knowledge that the victim feels violated.  

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Except in this case we have a sample size of thousands and growing as technology makes these things possible.

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Plenty of male celebrities have taped themselves having sex. I think Fred Durst, the singer from Limp Bizkit was one, around the same time as Hilton.

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The tape was released just before the first episode of The Simple Life. It resulted in huge coverage, and was probably responsible for the success of the show.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 09:44:55 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2014, 09:49:02 PM by Beet »

I think I speak for the rest of the forum when I say this:

WHAT THE F**K BEET

I hope he wasn't choking the chicken while looking at the latest ebola news.

Um, no. I see nothing wrong with what I posted. And my concern with ebola is not to be denigrated. If the world had listened to me two months ago and surged resources to fight ebola, we would be in a much better position than we are in now. If the fact that I am upset over thousands and likely soon tens of thousands of poor people bleeding to death with zero health care raises some objection in your mind, please take it to the ebola thread.


What? That article says the exact same thing mine did.
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