Jennifer Lawrence and many other celebrities...

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Kate Upton is the face of uniquely American excess combined with an utter lack of talent or insight in any way. Her career was based entirely on being a tease, and now that that is gone she will establish herself as the only person whose career will actually be harmed by the leaks (J-Law will probably come out of this more popular).

What kind of "insight" do you want? You expect her to give political commentary or something? She seems "talented" enough to me.

Snow, she's a model.  She's paid to look good and that's it.  Suggesting that Kate Upton do all the extra stuff someone like Tyra Banks does (talk shows, philanthropy, etc.) would be the same as suggesting the guy at Big Box store try extra super hard so he can be "Employee Of The Month" like Bob is.  We can praise Bob all we want but that doesn't mean you have to pile on the other guy who justifiably toils as little as possible as collects his check. 

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

I took excess another way... so ah great, I get to be the sexist jerk to point out that Upton is on her way to having weight problems for her profession.

I always thought she had a weird midsection....



But her face and jugs are incredible, so she'll likely be a successful American sex symbol for years to come. 

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies.

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies.

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

I realize that it can be painful to question yourself, your flaws and your prejudices. It's much simpler to rely on one's dogma and insist that whatever you do can't be wrong 'just because'. But it's easy to educate yourself on how objectification, especially of the nasty kind displayed in this thread, hurts women and is part of a power structure that is essentially amoral.

But, sure complain about how mean other people are being to you by not being assholes.

(as an aside I find the whole "self-righteous/white knight" stuff that misogynists throw around to be one of the lamest type of arguments ever. It's essentially saying that other people being nicer than you makes you feel bad about yourself so they should stop. How did that ever become a socially accepted retort to anything?)

'Staf, I've yet to meet one woman in my social circle or somewhat connected to it that finds it offensive or sexist that men have opinions on the physical appearance of females and that they often discuss it amongst each other.   Not.  Friggin.  One.  I've also not one straight female friend that has not made a remark about the physical appearance of a male.  I'm not sure you are understanding how normal this is.  You are defining sexism as failure to live in an alternate reality where inner beauty and personality and all those types of things are all that matters.  Nah man, I'm perfectly happy living in our ugly little reality where men judge the appearance of women and women judge the appearance of men and that's it okay to just have fun with the subject and not get so damn uppity and butthurt about the fact that I think Kate Upton has an abnormally-shaped midsection and great boobs.  

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies.

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

I realize that it can be painful to question yourself, your flaws and your prejudices. It's much simpler to rely on one's dogma and insist that whatever you do can't be wrong 'just because'. But it's easy to educate yourself on how objectification, especially of the nasty kind displayed in this thread, hurts women and is part of a power structure that is essentially amoral.

But, sure complain about how mean other people are being to you by not being assholes.

(as an aside I find the whole "self-righteous/white knight" stuff that misogynists throw around to be one of the lamest type of arguments ever. It's essentially saying that other people being nicer than you makes you feel bad about yourself so they should stop. How did that ever become a socially accepted retort to anything?)

'Staf, I've yet to meet one woman in my social circle or somewhat connected to it that finds it offensive or sexist that men have opinions on the physical appearance of females and that they often discuss it amongst each other.   Not.  Friggin.  One.  I've also not one straight female friend that has not made a remark about the physical appearance of a male.  I'm not sure you are understanding how normal this is.  You are defining sexism as failure to live in an alternate reality where inner beauty and personality and all those types of things are all that matters.  Nah man, I'm perfectly happy living in our ugly little reality where men judge the appearance of women and women judge the appearance of men and that's it okay to just have fun with the subject and not get so damn uppity and butthurt about the fact that I think Kate Upton has an abnormally-shaped midsection and great boobs.  

You mean women don't tell misogynist men about their fears and problems? Shocking!

See, this isn't about having opinions on appearance or inner beauty. That's what I already pointed out, you're not getting it at all. Which is why you should perhaps try to educate yourself on it, since you're clearly thinking it's about something that it isn't.

And as a response to what Snowstalker said, yeah, I'm obviously trying to get laid on the Atlas.

Please enlighten me as to what I'm not getting at.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

A " weird midsection"... " bit boxy"... "on her way to having weight problems"... what is wrong with you people? Perhaps this is the sexist patriarchy the angry people are always going on about.

Dudes discussing women in a male-dominated environment is sexist now?  I thought it was a normal thing guys just do.  Women discuss the physical attractiveness of men all the time!  And didn't I say she had killer t1ts and a beautiful face?

Sentence 1: No, you didn't get it
Sentence 2: lol
Sentence 3: you're still not getting it
Sentence 4: wow, didn't know it was possible to miss the point THIS much. And why self-censor tits? I have no speech.

No, Gustaf, youre just a boring prick who likes to stand on your little cloud of judgment passing life lessons out to all the sinners.  Go ahead and report that.

I don't report a great many posts, I'm not like Opebo and those other cry babies.

And I think you once again, like other Atlas misogynists, conflate dislike of sexism with dislike of sex. They're very different things and you would probably get more of the latter if you weren't so enamoured with the former.

I'm certainly more of a sinner than a prude and have very little of a judgmental attitude in this realm.

I'm sorry, I'm not a misogynist or enamored with sexism because I talk about the physical appearance of women with other men.  If it makes me a misogynist in someone else's book, fine, but that's not something I'm going to feel guilty about. 

I realize that it can be painful to question yourself, your flaws and your prejudices. It's much simpler to rely on one's dogma and insist that whatever you do can't be wrong 'just because'. But it's easy to educate yourself on how objectification, especially of the nasty kind displayed in this thread, hurts women and is part of a power structure that is essentially amoral.

But, sure complain about how mean other people are being to you by not being assholes.

(as an aside I find the whole "self-righteous/white knight" stuff that misogynists throw around to be one of the lamest type of arguments ever. It's essentially saying that other people being nicer than you makes you feel bad about yourself so they should stop. How did that ever become a socially accepted retort to anything?)

'Staf, I've yet to meet one woman in my social circle or somewhat connected to it that finds it offensive or sexist that men have opinions on the physical appearance of females and that they often discuss it amongst each other.   Not.  Friggin.  One.  I've also not one straight female friend that has not made a remark about the physical appearance of a male.  I'm not sure you are understanding how normal this is.  You are defining sexism as failure to live in an alternate reality where inner beauty and personality and all those types of things are all that matters.  Nah man, I'm perfectly happy living in our ugly little reality where men judge the appearance of women and women judge the appearance of men and that's it okay to just have fun with the subject and not get so damn uppity and butthurt about the fact that I think Kate Upton has an abnormally-shaped midsection and great boobs.  

You mean women don't tell misogynist men about their fears and problems? Shocking!

See, this isn't about having opinions on appearance or inner beauty. That's what I already pointed out, you're not getting it at all. Which is why you should perhaps try to educate yourself on it, since you're clearly thinking it's about something that it isn't.

And as a response to what Snowstalker said, yeah, I'm obviously trying to get laid on the Atlas.

Please enlighten me as to what I'm not getting at.

So, firstly, of course finding people attractive or whatever is part of human nature. And talking to friends about such things can be fine too. It becomes problematic when women, as they often are, get reduced to mere sexual objects, and when women are sexualized in a mean-spirited way it's more a tool of oppression than an expression of natural desire.

Men who feel compelled to constantly harp on about women's appearance, especially in a demeaning way are contributing to a culture that creates a lot of suffering for a lot of women. And, fundamentally, there just isn't that much need as far as I can see. I never felt particularly in need of making my opinions about hot women known to the world. The underlying premise is that the world and women especially should care greatly about what random men think of their bodies and that isn't really true.

If I'm going to have sex with a woman I'll let her know what I find physically attractive about her but beyond that I don't engage much with that topic and I don't feel like I'm losing out much.

1. I'm not going to ever have sex with Kate Upton. 

2. A women's physical appearance is going to have a lot to do with her sexuality.

3. An observation about appearance is not inherently mean-spirited. 

4. This was about ONE feature of ONE supermodel.  No harping is happening.  If you are saying that I am adding to "harping" in a grand, societal sense... that's not my fault. 

5. This isn't to the world.  This is basically in completely anonymity to an obscure board in which only a few people know what a "HockeyDude post" is. 

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

I got too caught up in the Kate Upton discussion to actually say: Yes, (Gustaf) I think this is wrong for private pictures to be "hacked out of the Cloud" (I guess?) and passed around the interwebs.  Look, I love it when the wily bastards over at 4chan and whatever cause chaos around the web and **** with people, but this was too far.  That these were all rich celebrities, I feel a bit less sorry, though.  That includes Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander, who was part of this.  If I were an actor man, I'd probably be laughing this off.  Then again, I've streaked wasted through Camden, NJ for the hell of it, so maybe I'm a strange bird.