Ted Cruz's dad: “The Average Black Does Not” Understand The Minimum Wage Is Bad

[All Along The Watchtower]

African American voters have Stockholm Syndrome

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[Badger]

African American voters have Stockholm Syndrome, and Democrats are incredibly proud for the psychological disease they have engendered in the minority community.

That's right, African-Americans aren't rational actors in voting, but zombie sheeple who vote on a 'tribal basis' or somesuch. I'm sure telling black voters a view more "hard truths" like that, and they'll finally see the light and vote Republican in droves.
 

Please, do the rest of us a favor and change your avatar to orange, yellow, green, ANYTHING  else. You're a genuine embarrassment to all blue avatars.

It's tough to fathom, but out of a long, long, LONG line of utterly idiotic posts, this one actually tops them all. Congrats.

[Yank2133]

African American voters have Stockholm Syndrome

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Yeah, that is laughable.

If anyone has Stockholm Syndrome it is the middle/working class whites who vote GOP......talk about taking it in the *** and not realizing it.

[AggregateDemand]

Middle-class, educated blacks reject the Republican Party in droves even if they would seem to have a shared interest of white people of similar education and income for lower personal taxes. Of course,  middle-class, educated blacks may be more likely to be government employees -- and even if professionals or business owners they may have clientele that use government aid. If your patients are Medicaid recipients or your grocery store relies heavily upon food aid, then you might have an interest in preserving a generous welfare state.

Lower taxes on much lowered income -- or having to get a new job that pays much less -- is a losing proposition for Republicans with blacks at any demographic level.

Stockholm syndrome? No. Rational self-interest. It need not be identical with your idea of rational self-interest to be personally valid.

To reject the Republican Party is reasonable. To advocate on behalf of the Democratic Party is the epitome of unbounded irrationality. The cause is open to interpretation. Stockholm Syndrome fits for African American voters, especially if you examine race politics in the United States.

Maybe it is because the Republicans have little to offer but "Profits first, profits only, until we say otherwise".

"Primum non nocere" is a doctrine from which Democrats could learn a great deal.

[AggregateDemand]

That's right, African-Americans aren't rational actors in voting, but zombie sheeple who vote on a 'tribal basis' or somesuch. I'm sure telling black voters a view more "hard truths" like that, and they'll finally see the light and vote Republican in droves.
 

Please, do the rest of us a favor and change your avatar to orange, yellow, green, ANYTHING  else. You're a genuine embarrassment to all blue avatars.

It's tough to fathom, but out of a long, long, LONG line of utterly idiotic posts, this one actually tops them all. Congrats.

What does Stockholm Syndrome convey about the hostage? Only that he/she has been traumatized by a hostage-taker.

I'm not really sure what you're ranting about.

[Badger]

That's right, African-Americans aren't rational actors in voting, but zombie sheeple who vote on a 'tribal basis' or somesuch. I'm sure telling black voters a view more "hard truths" like that, and they'll finally see the light and vote Republican in droves.
 

Please, do the rest of us a favor and change your avatar to orange, yellow, green, ANYTHING  else. You're a genuine embarrassment to all blue avatars.

It's tough to fathom, but out of a long, long, LONG line of utterly idiotic posts, this one actually tops them all. Congrats.

What does Stockholm Syndrome convey about the hostage? Only that he/she has been traumatized by a hostage-taker.

I'm not really sure what you're ranting about.

I KNOW what Stockholm Syndrome is, genius. We all do.

With that in mind, please DO elaborate. Just let me get my popcorn....

[King]

Black voters are more rational actors than white voters. Black Republicans are generally upper class. It makes sense.

It's these poor whites complaining about the moochers not paying income tax that make no sense.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Ted Cruz's father is obviously a racist neanderthal, but Lief, can you please not link to Buzzfeed?

[RI]

The average person does not understand that the minimum wage is not an optimally efficient or especially efficacious¹ policy option, but one that is generally, though not always, better than no policy to the extent that it has an impact. In fact, the positives and negatives of the minimum wage tend to be vastly overstated by both sides.

¹At combatting poverty or cost of living. There are better solutions to both than the minimum wage that also address efficiency.

[AggregateDemand]

I KNOW what Stockholm Syndrome is, genius. We all do.

With that in mind, please DO elaborate. Just let me get my popcorn....

Elaborating on matters of socioeconomics or race politics doesn't involve popcorn; it involves a pillow. Piles of boring data that all lead to the same conclusion--the New Deal and Great Society have done nothing more than shift poverty across demographics and generations of people.

A small minority understand the problem, and they debate various ways to fix the problem. An overwhelming majority are down with the sickness, and they can't imagine a world without debauched, ineffective government programs. It's time for popcorn when the majority starts inventing hilarious reasons for why we should continue failing. Moral appeals are generally the most amusing.

 

[All Along The Watchtower]

Black voters are more rational actors than white voters. Black Republicans are generally upper class. It makes sense.

It's these poor whites complaining about the moochers not paying income tax that make no sense.

Actually it makes plenty of sense. Working class people compete with other working class people in the free-market capitalist economy. It figures that many of them-even poor ones- will internalize the "pursue your own economic self-interest" ideology that we all hear (and internalize to some extent). That self-interest is individual, and comes at the expense of others of the same status; additionally, a lot of people in this stratified system feel threatened by the people lower than them in status, even (or perhaps, especially)  if they themselves aren't doing well economically. Hence, the complaining about "the moochers not paying income tax" or "welfare queens" (although to be fair, that kind of thing cuts across class lines...)

It's different for black Americans obviously, because traditionally, they've been excluded as a group from the society at large, to say nothing of how limited social mobility has been for black people in America. Working-class whites (particularly white native-born men) have always had better prospects than non-white poors, relatively speaking.

[Lief 🗽]

Ted Cruz's father is obviously a racist neanderthal, but Lief, can you please not link to Buzzfeed?

Buzzfeed broke the story.

[AggregateDemand]

It figures that many of them-even poor ones- will internalize the "pursue your own economic self-interest" ideology

If you think pursuit of self-interest or mutually-beneficial voluntary contract are ideology, you've sacrificed your brain at the altar of partisanship.

Communism/socialism are inventions. Market-based economic theory is a discovery.

[pbrower2a]

The average person does not understand that the minimum wage is not an optimally efficient or especially efficacious¹ policy option, but one that is generally, though not always, better than no policy to the extent that it has an impact. In fact, the positives and negatives of the minimum wage tend to be vastly overstated by both sides.

¹At combatting poverty or cost of living. There are better solutions to both than the minimum wage that also address efficiency.

It isn't perfect. So what? Neither are speed laws. Some people -- especially old people with slowed reflexes -- should be driving five miles or so below the speed limit just to adjust to personal reality.

[Likely Voter]

Black voters are more rational actors than white voters. Black Republicans are generally upper class. It makes sense.

It's these poor whites complaining about the moochers not paying income tax that make no sense.

Not to mention the olds worried about the guvment coming to take their Medicare

[Indy Texas]

It figures that many of them-even poor ones- will internalize the "pursue your own economic self-interest" ideology

If you think pursuit of self-interest or mutually-beneficial voluntary contract are ideology, you've sacrificed your brain at the altar of partisanship.

Communism/socialism are inventions. Market-based economic theory is a discovery.

Someone who makes $7.25 an hour wanting to legally obligate their employer to pay them $10+ an hour instead sounds pretty self-interested to me.

[Simfan34]

I don't know why he had to bring black people into this. (I mean I do, with context and all, but that's besides the point) Assuming the minimum wage was bad, you could say most people, not just blacks, don't understand that, or why. After all, large majorities support raising the minimum wage every time the matter is polled.

African American voters have Stockholm Syndrome, and Democrats are incredibly proud for the psychological disease they have engendered in the minority community.

I will say that 60+ plus years of blacks' support for the Democratic Party hasn't done terribly much to improve their wellbeing- it's not like the Civil Rights Movement was some DNC operation, and the Civil Rights Acts received more support from Congressional Republicans than it did from Congressional Democrats. I'm not sure what this "psychological disease" you refer to is, though. I would say that more was done for black people in the 20 years following the Civil War by Republicans than has been done by Democrats ever since.

However, I'm not Oldiesfreak, and I'm not suggesting black people should vote Republican because of thing people did 150 years ago... nor should they vote for Democrats based off of what happened half a century ago (that wasn't particularly the work of the Democratic Party, anyway).

But you'd also have to be rather unobservant to take notice of the fact that the modern Republican Party has been perceived as being less than entirely welcoming to, uh, people like myself, nor has it seemed particularly concerned with disabusing such notions. Now I manage because I'm quite decidedly not a liberal, and the Republicans in my neck of woods are less prone towards the sort of inclinations that makes the average black person come to the conclusion that the Republican Party is not at all aligned with their interests.

Oh, why did the Southern Strategy have to go wrong and saddle us with all the racists and treason sympathisers?

Black voters are more rational actors than white voters. Black Republicans are generally upper class. It makes sense.

It's these poor whites complaining about the moochers not paying income tax that make no sense.

This is a good post. I misread the second sentence as "Upper class blacks are generally Republican," which I was going to say I didn't think was true, but that's not what you said, so...

[Indy Texas]

I will say that 60+ plus years of blacks' support for the Democratic Party hasn't done terribly much to improve their wellbeing- it's not like the Civil Rights Movement was some DNC operation, and the Civil Rights Acts received more support from Congressional Republicans than it did from Congressional Democrats.

The Democrats who voted against the CRA aren't Democrats anymore. A lot of the Republicans who voted for it would not win a Republican primary today. My mother's uncle was as much of a Taft Republican as they come but he voted for the Civil Rights Act and likely wouldn't be able to win a Republican primary if he were alive today.

Name something a post-Eisenhower Republican president has done that specifically benefited the black community. Name something that Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush or Bush did to make the black community as a whole better off.

[Simfan34]

Before I answer that I'd like you to find where I said Republicans had done more for black people than Democrats in the past sixty years.

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This guy sounds like he would have liked the Jim Crow era a lot. Notice how the former Jim Crow states tend to have no minimum wage law (yellow) or lower than the federal (red) today.

[Deus Naturae]

This guy sounds like he would have liked the Jim Crow era a lot. Notice how the former Jim Crow states tend to have no minimum wage law (yellow) or lower than the federal (red) today.

Absolutely superb logic there.

[MaxQue]

Minnesota?

[Cassius]

This guy sounds like he would have liked the Jim Crow era a lot. Notice how the former Jim Crow states tend to have no minimum wage law (yellow) or lower than the federal (red) today.

Indeed, including that notorious bastion of white supremacy American Samoa.

[pbrower2a]

I don't know why he had to bring black people into this. (I mean I do, with context and all, but that's besides the point) Assuming the minimum wage was bad, you could say most people, not just blacks, don't understand that, or why. After all, large majorities support raising the minimum wage every time the matter is polled.

Low wages might promote the creation of capital, which may explain why the highest economic growth rates are in countries in the early stages of industrialization and tolerate the misery of early capitalism. Creation of capital may not be such a good idea in those countries in which multitudes have more stuff than they can handle. Creating more stuff to go to the landfill quickly is not my idea of economic wisdom.

Ultimately the success of capitalism beyond the early-industrial stage depends upon workers being a market. Severely-underpaid workers make an ineffective market even if they are highly productive. Employers might want to take advantage of the inability of workers to promote their own value as employees, let alone to imagine alternatives to being badly underpaid. Minimum wage laws deter employers from seeking to exploit the inability of workers to demand a fair wage.

Of course there are people so mentally or physically handicapped that they cannot be full participants in the economy and earn a fair wage. For such people, sheltered workshops are a solution because such people usually have vulnerabilities (like gullibility) that people can exploit for anti-social purposes from fleecing or sexually abusing them to tricking them into participation in criminal behavior.        

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I will say that 60+ plus years of blacks' support for the Democratic Party hasn't done terribly much to improve their wellbeing- it's not like the Civil Rights Movement was some DNC operation, and the Civil Rights Acts received more support from Congressional Republicans than it did from Congressional Democrats. I'm not sure what this "psychological disease" you refer to is, though. I would say that more was done for black people in the 20 years following the Civil War by Republicans than has been done by Democrats ever since.

However, I'm not Oldiesfreak, and I'm not suggesting black people should vote Republican because of thing people did 150 years ago... nor should they vote for Democrats based off of what happened half a century ago (that wasn't particularly the work of the Democratic Party, anyway).

But you'd also have to be rather unobservant to take notice of the fact that the modern Republican Party has been perceived as being less than entirely welcoming to, uh, people like myself, nor has it seemed particularly concerned with disabusing such notions. Now I manage because I'm quite decidedly not a liberal, and the Republicans in my neck of woods are less prone towards the sort of inclinations that makes the average black person come to the conclusion that the Republican Party is not at all aligned with their interests.[/quote]

The black middle class has expanded greatly over the last 60 years due to fuller integration of America in most aspects of life. The abolition of Jim Crow practice likely has some role. Blacks who have failed to keep pace with America as a whole are the ill-educated blacks who used to take industrial jobs that have since largely disappeared.  The trend hits and hurts ill-educated white people, too.

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This is a good post. I misread the second sentence as "Upper class blacks are generally Republican," which I was going to say I didn't think was true, but that's not what you said, so...
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Middle-class blacks still vote heavily D. Middle-class blacks are well-educated people on the whole,  and they associate education heavily with government aid or government jobs.  

[AggregateDemand]

I don't know why he had to bring black people into this.

He didn't inject race into a conversation where it doesn't exist. Since the 1970s, data and economic research have indicated that the unintended consequences of minimum wage increases are shouldered by young inner-city minorities, particularly African American males.

Any increase in minimum wage is effectively an attack on minority workers in urban environments. Feeble attempts to defend minimum wage policy have been made, but the end result of minimum wage increase is always the same. Declining unemployment amongst America's youth, which really hammers down urban youths from the lower-middle-class.