Ted Cruz's dad: “The Average Black Does Not” Understand The Minimum Wage Is Bad
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2014, 11:04:32 AM »

If you think pursuit of self-interest or mutually-beneficial voluntary contract are ideology, you've sacrificed your brain at the altar of partisanship.

Communism/socialism are inventions. Market-based economic theory is a discovery.

Someone who makes $7.25 an hour wanting to legally obligate their employer to pay them $10+ an hour instead sounds pretty self-interested to me.
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What does the employer receive in return? It's not self-interested because no mutually-beneficial exchange exists. It's just selfish.

Min wage increases are designed to prevent wage-suppression by major employers. The workers of today are not suffering from corporate abuse, but from low-cost international labor. If the government does anything, they should be making people more productive, competitive, and desirable. Min wage does the opposite.
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2014, 03:08:33 PM »

I don't know why he had to bring black people into this.

He didn't inject race into a conversation where it doesn't exist. Since the 1970s, data and economic research have indicated that the unintended consequences of minimum wage increases are shouldered by young inner-city minorities, particularly African American males.

The shift of employment from brute-force labor such as assembly-line work to more sophisticated service work that requires more behavioral refinement was inevitable. This was inevitable. The sorts of people who used to be hired as assembly-line workers are not the sorts that one wants doing even the lowest level of personal contact (as in fast food).

Jobs disappeared in factories as they appeared in fast food places and shopping malls. Assembly lines usually paid well; food service and merchandising have typically been low-paying activities. If anything, minimum wages would have slowed the growth of jobs in the job-growth areas such as fast food and retail sales of the 1980s. 

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Teenagers were not getting the assembly-line jobs that offered middle income. If teenagers were in the suburbs they could easily find the near-minimum-wage jobs that allowed them to buy clothes, electronic gadgets, and even cars because they were still living with supportive parents who recognized that the pay was too poor to live on. If teenagers were in the poor areas with few fast-food places or shopping malls, then they had to commute to those jobs or do without. In 1990 I could see a huge difference. It was hard to find restaurants in impoverished South Dallas, in contrast to North Dallas in which fast food places are everywhere.
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2014, 06:04:29 PM »
« Edited: September 07, 2014, 06:11:37 PM by Badger »

If you think pursuit of self-interest or mutually-beneficial voluntary contract are ideology, you've sacrificed your brain at the altar of partisanship.

Communism/socialism are inventions. Market-based economic theory is a discovery.

Someone who makes $7.25 an hour wanting to legally obligate their employer to pay them $10+ an hour instead sounds pretty self-interested to me.

What does the employer receive in return? It's not self-interested because no mutually-beneficial exchange exists. It's just selfish. [/quote]
Bottom line. Your true motives exposed. PLEASE stop acting like you actually give a flying $hit about the economic underclass or lower middle class. Your concern is truly reserved only for large corporate interest who are oh so sadly being forced to pay sub-substistance wages by the "selfishness" of employees who want to be able to pay food clothing and shelter without going on welfare.

Your view of working class stiffs, particularly those people of color, as being too stupid to understand basic economics---otherwise, well, they wouldn't be poor, of course--is at once fantastical and execrable. Perhaps, just perhaps, they understand Far better than you that 95+% of minimum wage jobs in the food service and Wal-Mart industries are they type inherently tied to a local economy of demand are (sadly) a growth sector in our post-industrial economy; and as such businesses have minimal to non-existant chance to increase profits by relocating to another state, let alone country. Therefore they (and most sentient individuals) realize the theoretical risks of increased wages costing them their employment (even SSIBLY risking employment agt their current lousy job, there would almost surely be another job available elsewhere at the now-increased minimum wage.

Not to mention the very clear case that increased wages at a broad level increases purchasing power--dare I say it? Aggregate Demand! Cheesy--to increase production and employment. This is a point I previously eviscerated you on without coherent response, and yet you've learned nothing from that, sadly.

Your view of people of color makes it clear you've never known one outside of a tipping relationship. Your sympathies are clearly only with a tiny number of portfolios heavy on fast food and convenience stores, and those ivory tower intellectuals that who are offended by violation of their sacred free market (as in not just mere capitalists, but outright FTW type) principles.

Your arguments in this and every other thread are a bizarre gumbo of believing that. Every government effort to alleviate a social ill--not merely can have unintended side effects or by inefficient--actually CAUSES the problem it's designed to address. "Poor people aren't eating sufficiently and suffering from malnutrition? Food stamps are clearly the root cause!" "The elderly's inability to afford health insurance is inhibiting their access to medical care? Medicare clearly needs cut back!" It's goes beyond mere valid conservative thought to an outright Through The Looking Glass type of fantasy world.

But why bother? Your 'arguments' aren't even responded to by most people. And why should they? Your 'arguments' extend little beyond the above-referenced diatribes and content-lacking condescension of what is 'obvious' to anyone lucky enough to be oh so smart as you. Which, coincidentally, relieves you of the weighty burden of having to actually, you know, respond to conflicting arguments beyond wildly broad sweeping generalizations.

Like most right-thinking posters, I'm done with you. I say good day sir. I say good day!
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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2014, 06:08:48 PM »

Indeed, including that notorious bastion of white supremacy American Samoa.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not?
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2014, 10:22:00 PM »

Jobs disappeared in factories as they appeared in fast food places and shopping malls. Assembly lines usually paid well; food service and merchandising have typically been low-paying activities. If anything, minimum wages would have slowed the growth of jobs in the job-growth areas such as fast food and retail sales of the 1980s.

Surely, you're joking. America's inability to prepare food at home, and their relatively recent love of retail goods is somehow related to the lack of US manufacturing?
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2014, 10:29:09 PM »

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ted-cruzs-dad-the-average-black-does-not-understand-the-mini?utm_term=3jqu3vk#3m5wbx9

The father of Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said black people “need to be educated” about Democrats, so that they will vote Republican. Cruz, who made the comments at the Western Williamson Republican Club August meeting added “the average black does not” understand that the minimum wage is bad.

The Aug. 21 meeting advertised that Cruz would “speak passionately on what can be done to return our nation to the principles that made America exceptional.” During the speech, Cruz spoke at length about a recent conversation he said he had with a black pastor in Bakersfield, California.

“I said, as a matter of fact, ‘Did you know that Civil Rights legislation was passed by Republicans? It was passed by a Republican Senate under the threat of a filibuster by the Democrats,’” Cruz said. “‘Oh, I didn’t know that.’ And then I said, ‘Did you know that every member of the Ku Klux Klan were Democrats from the South?’ ‘Oh I didn’t know that.’ You know, they need to be educated.”

“Jason Riley said in an interview, Did you know before we had minimum wage laws black unemployment and white unemployment were the same? If we increase the minimum wage, black unemployment will skyrocket. See, he understands it, but the average black does not.”
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now huh? Since when did his opinion matter?
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2014, 10:31:11 PM »
« Edited: September 08, 2014, 09:25:49 AM by AggregateDemand »

Bottom line. Your true motives exposed. PLEASE stop acting like you actually give a flying $hit about the economic underclass or lower middle class.

I'm not responsible for accommodating your ineptitude. I'm against using minimum wage to rebuild the middle class for a litany of reasons, including the lack of mutually beneficial contract, which is the point of private sector compensation. However, I'm not opposed to rebuilding the middle class, and I've explained how on several occasions.

If you can't understand the nuances of the argument, you need not burden the rest of us with your posts. Cratering demand for labor does not lead to higher levels of aggregate demand, nor does raising minimum wage only affect wages for people who currently make below the proposed amount. We have a half century of data to back up the basics of minimum wage economics, do you need another half century to learn labor price floors?
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2014, 10:47:29 PM »

Jobs disappeared in factories as they appeared in fast food places and shopping malls. Assembly lines usually paid well; food service and merchandising have typically been low-paying activities. If anything, minimum wages would have slowed the growth of jobs in the job-growth areas such as fast food and retail sales of the 1980s.

Surely, you're joking. America's inability to prepare food at home, and their relatively recent love of retail goods is somehow related to the lack of US manufacturing?

No connection -- except that it took two clerical jobs to make the same income as one assembly-line job.
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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2014, 12:16:55 AM »

This guy sounds like he would have liked the Jim Crow era a lot. Notice how the former Jim Crow states tend to have no minimum wage law (yellow) or lower than the federal (red) today.


Absolutely superb logic there.

Part of Jim Crow consisted of tests that were designed to keep blacks who weren't "didn't understand things" and weren't "educated" from voting.
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