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Maxwell
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« on: September 03, 2014, 05:01:57 PM »

Holy ish, didn't think this was actually gonna happen. Move this to at least a Toss-Up, Tilt R.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2014, 05:41:26 PM »

I mean, I still think Roberts is decently likely to pull it out, if only because, especially compared to Angus King, Orman sounds like he has no substance. At least Angus King had real positions on some issues.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2014, 05:51:28 PM »

Isn't Orman to the left of Taylor anyway, politically?

Orman doesn't really seem to have any ideology other than being a moderate.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2014, 06:09:00 PM »

I wonder if Bob Dole would endorse Greg Orman?

I don't see why he would. Pat Roberts is very much in the Bob Dole mold - conservative, and very dull. If it were against Moran, I could see it happening.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2014, 06:32:49 PM »

I wonder if Bob Dole would endorse Greg Orman?

I don't see why he would. Pat Roberts is very much in the Bob Dole mold - conservative, and very dull.

Not to sure about the "dull" comparison, but Bob Dole as a "conservative," I think not.
Dole was always well known to be a moderate.

You sir are quite mistaken. Bob Dole was elected as a conservative, but his temperament was that of a moderate.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 08:44:15 PM »

Jacking a couple paragraphs from Wikipedia doesn't prove your argument.

Maybe or maybe not .... but it's a hell of a lot more information than the-other-guy has on just saying that Dole was a conservative. (Now I'm sure you will agree with that.)


During Bob Dole's time he was a certifiable conservative. He scored an 87 from the American Conservative Union in his last year (I can bold too). That's in the middle... of Republicans. Thus, conservative. Sure, Bob Dole made deals with Democrats, that doesn't make him a moderate like you suggest. I mean, Utah Senator Bob Bennett worked with Oregon Senator Ron Wyden on a healthcare bill, do you not think he's a conservative?
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2014, 10:20:35 PM »

I'll trust American Conservative Union more than your looking up in wiki buddy. American Conservative Union actually, oh I don't know, actually tracks votes.

Oh and with my bolding? I was making fun of you. Good to know you're too thick to get it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 04:21:00 PM »

Is there a link to the debate.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 07:43:26 PM »

What is with old Republican Senators and thinking that removing the content from the ad and just having the images makes them better? He's doing the McConnell thing.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014, 01:48:56 PM »

PPP holds the exact same 10 point advantage for Orman as the last one. I think this changes to Toss-up Tilt I, but this race is fast moving, so I expect this to tighten in the next couple of weeks. If it doesn't, I'd say Orman is favored, as we've had ten point races that we are calling Likely or even Safe holds.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2014, 02:03:55 PM »

Republican losing a senate race in Kansas vs. an incumbent recovering from numbers like this with Taylor's support waiting in the wings for Orman.

Which is harder to believe?

I think this is a pretty odd and damn near unprecedented thing to happen, so I think the obvious thing to do is to wait and see.

If I cared about either one of these people, I would start getting pretty pessimistic for Pat Roberts.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2014, 07:30:04 AM »


I feel like this has potential to backfire, since this seems very petulant of Wolf to do this.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 01:42:16 PM »

Orman continues to use Roberts' attack ads to bolster his own nonpartisan/independent message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2GqyWbmQr-A

Good ad.

He bobbles his head a little too much, but that is a very good ad, and probably defuses Roberts ads now. Not that that will stop him from continuing the self-destruct strategy though.
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Maxwell
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 06:24:30 PM »

Now Orman just needs to put out any actual beliefs, and he may pull this out. Roberts still has one move - to paint Orman as an indecisive fool who touts his independence to cover up a lack of substance.
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Maxwell
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E: -6.45, S: -6.96

« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 07:49:42 PM »

Now Orman just needs to put out any actual beliefs, and he may pull this out. Roberts still has one move - to paint Orman as an indecisive fool who touts his independence to cover up a lack of substance.

Orman has substance - it's just that alot of his policies are more liberal than the Democrat who was in the race.

This is of course Kansas, too. So fleshing out any of his policies would surely be a disaster.

Did you see the debate? He spent most of the time agreeing with Pat Roberts.
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