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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2014, 02:49:57 AM »

I'm ready to move this to final vote if we're finished?
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2014, 08:06:26 AM »

I don't know if creating this position is really that a good idea. I mean we can't even fill the GM now, how could we fill two positions then? On the other hand, maybe people will be more inclined to do it, when there are two "smaller" positions?
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2014, 09:26:06 AM »

One thing to consider: If multiple GMs works out, we may not need SoIA / SoEA. Just a thought, because there could be overlap, but I'm definitely in favor of an independent (hopefully) person to work numbers and who understands all this stuff in Atlasian economic context.

I don't know if creating this position is really that a good idea. I mean we can't even fill the GM now, how could we fill two positions then? On the other hand, maybe people will be more inclined to do it, when there are two "smaller" positions?

That's generally the idea as I see it. Managing news and and running economic data is a lot for one person to do, and honestly, not a lot of people really understand the economic stuff. After I was elected and put up my call for applications, a number of people said, "I can do GM, but not the econ stuff." Nappy was willing to do both and understood the game well enough that I just thought he was the best choice.
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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2014, 06:26:37 PM »

I'm ready to move this to final vote if we're finished?

I think we're almost finished here as well, but I do have a small concern. Should we have two Deputy GM's and the GM were to resign, who gets to be the nominal GM? Section one says "Deputies" and section two says "Deputy", so we should probably clear that detail.
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2014, 07:52:08 PM »

I'm ready to move this to final vote if we're finished?

I think we're almost finished here as well, but I do have a small concern. Should we have two Deputy GM's and the GM were to resign, who gets to be the nominal GM? Section one says "Deputies" and section two says "Deputy", so we should probably clear that detail.

The position really should only be for one deputy, but the ambiguous wording comes from the fact that we could potentially have a news agency named GM and news agencies in the past have sometimes been multiple people. In that case, I would assume it would be for the agency to work out. In all other instances, the GM really should only appoint one assistant.
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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2014, 10:12:10 AM »

I'm ready to move this to final vote if we're finished?

I think we're almost finished here as well, but I do have a small concern. Should we have two Deputy GM's and the GM were to resign, who gets to be the nominal GM? Section one says "Deputies" and section two says "Deputy", so we should probably clear that detail.

The position really should only be for one deputy, but the ambiguous wording comes from the fact that we could potentially have a news agency named GM and news agencies in the past have sometimes been multiple people. In that case, I would assume it would be for the agency to work out. In all other instances, the GM really should only appoint one assistant.

Well, that sounds reasonable, and those who help a news agency may not need a formal title as a Deputy GM would. Should we amend Deputy GM's to just a single Deputy or go with the final vote?
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2014, 02:13:30 PM »

I'm ready to move this to final vote if we're finished?

I think we're almost finished here as well, but I do have a small concern. Should we have two Deputy GM's and the GM were to resign, who gets to be the nominal GM? Section one says "Deputies" and section two says "Deputy", so we should probably clear that detail.

The position really should only be for one deputy, but the ambiguous wording comes from the fact that we could potentially have a news agency named GM and news agencies in the past have sometimes been multiple people. In that case, I would assume it would be for the agency to work out. In all other instances, the GM really should only appoint one assistant.

Well, that sounds reasonable, and those who help a news agency may not need a formal title as a Deputy GM would. Should we amend Deputy GM's to just a single Deputy or go with the final vote?

I think so.
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2014, 02:18:17 PM »

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Cleaning up the ambiguity.
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2014, 12:20:32 PM »

The sponsor has offered an amendment, Senators have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2014, 01:39:15 PM »

I'm not sure I understand what section 4 is saying.
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2014, 02:12:25 PM »

I know this went on years ago, Bore, but it's designed to prevent some kind of power struggle in the government if a news network, like say, the Atlasian News Network, is appointed GM and the head of that agency resigned. In doing so, we'd leave it up to the news agency rather than taking the decision out of their hands as to who takes over as GM in the case of multiple deputies.

It's a very unlikely occurrence since it almost never happens, but in the case that it does happen, we should defer the decision to them to prevent some kind of massive backlash towards the government. Let them keep it in house.
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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2014, 02:29:14 PM »

I think you mean "a news agency appointed as GM" and not "GM appointed through a news agency"?
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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2014, 02:40:11 PM »

I think you mean "a news agency appointed as GM" and not "GM appointed through a news agency"?

Ah ok, you're right. Let me change it.


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There, I think that might help things. Forgive me, I was probably tired when I tacked on the amendment.
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2014, 12:55:10 PM »

No one's said anything. I want to move this to final vote.
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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2014, 09:16:37 PM »

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Sorry, I forgot to notify that the amendment had been adopted.

Very well, Senators, a vote on The GM Assistance/Keeping Things Moving Act is now open. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2014, 12:59:00 AM »

I urge the Senate to hold off on this bill until a new GM has been confirmed.
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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2014, 01:54:35 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2014, 05:36:27 AM »

I urge the Senate to hold off on this bill until a new GM has been confirmed.
I guess I will motion for a delay of this final vote then, until we have a GM.

Btw, SirNick is back, so you could appoint him, DemPGH?
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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2014, 09:40:03 AM »

Aye

No real reason not to approve this.
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »

I urge the Senate to hold off on this bill until a new GM has been confirmed.
I guess I will motion for a delay of this final vote then, until we have a GM.

Btw, SirNick is back, so you could appoint him, DemPGH?

Such a delay will not be considered friendly by me.
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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2014, 04:24:20 PM »

I urge the Senate to hold off on this bill until a new GM has been confirmed.
I guess I will motion for a delay of this final vote then, until we have a GM.

Btw, SirNick is back, so you could appoint him, DemPGH?

Such a delay will not be considered friendly by me.

In all fairness, Cranberry can only motion to extend the vote for 72 extra hours via injuction and with the support of another Senator, the only real way to halt the vote depends on Vice-President Tyrion as President of the Senate (and the procedure is a bit complicated).
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2014, 04:49:47 AM »

I urge the Senate to hold off on this bill until a new GM has been confirmed.
I guess I will motion for a delay of this final vote then, until we have a GM.

Btw, SirNick is back, so you could appoint him, DemPGH?

Such a delay will not be considered friendly by me.

In all fairness, Cranberry can only motion to extend the vote for 72 extra hours via injuction and with the support of another Senator, the only real way to halt the vote depends on Vice-President Tyrion as President of the Senate (and the procedure is a bit complicated).

So the vote would be done anyway before SirNick is approved by the Senate?
Then consider my motion void, please.

Aye, don't see a reason to oppose this.
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2014, 07:15:30 AM »

Aye

This is just setting up a possible deputy. If Sirnick does not want a deputy, I, along with most senators I think, will oppose confirming one for him.
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2014, 02:45:34 PM »

It's okay, I wanted to amend this a bit, but we can always amend it later.
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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2014, 03:56:06 PM »

AYE


You could also stop the vote lumine, with Tyrion's approval to use said procedure.
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