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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2014, 07:15:17 AM »

If it's an Act, it needs an Act to repeal it.
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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2014, 07:34:37 AM »

Never mind then.

I think we're ready for a final vote.
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2014, 12:25:01 PM »

Sponsor, your thoughts on a final vote?
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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2014, 03:03:42 PM »

Sounds good.
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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2014, 03:13:24 PM »

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Senators, a vote on the Regulatory Overhaul and Review Act is now open. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2014, 03:38:59 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM »

AYe Don't see why not
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2014, 08:49:26 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2014, 09:07:37 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2014, 11:16:52 PM »

Aye, I suppose.
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2014, 11:27:53 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 05:08:41 AM »

Abstain
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 07:34:26 AM »

Aye I guess
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 10:59:11 AM »

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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2014, 03:15:52 PM »

The final is a definite improvement, but are we opening up the possibility that we could be deluged by frivolous requests? I'm thinking of the citizen's initiative thread, of course, 98% of which always yielded entirely frivolous items and is / was / has been functionally useless. Granted, I doubt that this is as broad as that because we're talking about regulations that exist already, but just wanted to throw that out there.
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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2014, 10:25:48 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2014, 10:28:44 PM by Senator Lumine (PPT) »

This has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2014, 09:13:53 PM »

With seven votes in the affirmative, two abstaining and one not voting, the Regulatory Overhaul and Review Act passes the Senate and is now presented to the President for his signature, redraft or veto.

Aye (7)Sad Senator Bore, Senator Yankee, Senator Deus, President Pro Tempore Lumine, Senator Cynic, Senator Cranberry and Senator TNF.
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Abstained (2)Sad Senator Cassius and Senator Polnut.

Not Voting (1)Sad Senator JCL.
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2014, 11:30:42 AM »
« Edited: September 20, 2014, 11:47:11 AM by DemPGH, President »

I suppose this is technically a redraft, but I want to be clear that we are in fact asking for a majority. I don't want to make it two-thirds, but I do think it's fair that if we're going to ask the Senate to just start repealing regulations that we should have a majority.

As far as repealing laws through a mechanism like this, I'm not sure about the constitutionality of that. But who knows.

Anyway,

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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2014, 03:23:35 PM »

I oppose this redraft. If Senators don't even bother to vote, that's their problem.

Why would this be unconstitutional?
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2014, 04:20:26 PM »

A redraft has been sent by the President and we will have twenty four hours to discuss it. Senator Deus, will you file a motion to go through a vote?
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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2014, 05:19:16 PM »

I oppose this redraft. If Senators don't even bother to vote, that's their problem.

Why would this be unconstitutional?

Hey man, I talked to you just recently about the farm bill, and I mentioned I'll support with a modified 2.2 because look, I don't want people getting sick or salmonella or whatever. I'll work with you on this. I don't think a 6-4 majority is unreasonable when we're talking about allowing the public to instigate the rollback of regulations, that's all. Tongue I'll sign it, but I just hope that we can have a clear +1 majority before we just repeal regulations. I'm not asking for 7-3. Just a majority. LMK.

I'd accept a 6-5 tiebreaker on this. So the text would read,

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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2014, 11:14:33 PM »

Sorry if I came off as overly aggressive in that last post. I am willing to compromise, as long as the core of the bill survives. 

The new version of the redraft is fine with me, assuming that "tiebreaker" just refers to the Senator who casts the deciding vote (not sure what else it might mean but just want to clarify).
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2014, 04:12:40 AM »

I'd really like to know what the point of this Bill is now.

I don't see what it's actually going to do in practice. Which is what we are supposed to be here working on.
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2014, 07:16:38 AM »

I don't think that the redraft is actually necessary. A majority is normally taken to be 50+1 which would be 6-5 anyway.
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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2014, 03:58:28 PM »

Yea, bore is right I think.


Such language occurs in other places and has been interpreted as such.
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