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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2014, 01:14:06 PM »

Senators, a vote has started on the redraft of the bill by the President. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2014, 01:20:32 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2014, 02:40:04 PM »


This is the redraft, so we're clear.

A few posts down I offered an alternative for discussion, but it was deemed to accomplish the exact same things as the final text, so I just want to see if you guys will approve this or not.
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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2014, 05:12:48 PM »

Nay to the redraft. Aye to the bill prior to bore's amendment for the record.
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2014, 06:58:14 PM »

Nay

I don't mind if this passes but would rather maintain the current version.
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2014, 10:44:26 PM »

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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2014, 11:15:06 PM »

I've just become totally apathetic on this Bill... I don't see what it's really going to do, or anything vaguely positive it's going to achieve.

Noting... that we don't actually have text of specific regulations to repeal.

Once this vote is done, I'm moving to table.


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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2014, 06:35:22 AM »

Abstain

The redraft doesn't bother me one way or the other.
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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2014, 10:50:39 AM »

Abstain for the redraft
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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2014, 05:41:14 PM »

I don't see the need for the redraft still, so NAY I guess.
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« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2014, 08:01:54 PM »

I've just become totally apathetic on this Bill... I don't see what it's really going to do, or anything vaguely positive it's going to achieve.

Noting... that we don't actually have text of specific regulations to repeal.

Once this vote is done, I'm moving to table.


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The bill states quite clearly that it will set up a thread where people can present regulations for repeal and then have the Senate vote on whether or not to do so. I get that you try to be as vague as possible but if there's something about the bill you don't understand I'd suggest you be more specific.

Also, I don't think you can table a bill that's already been passed.
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« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2014, 08:05:43 PM »

Nay.

Regarding the procedure, if the redraft fails (and it seems that will be the case), it's up to the sponsor to send the bill to the President again (the version the Senate originally passed) or resume debate. If debate is resumed instead of sending the bill to the President's desk once again, then a motion to table would be possible. Or at least that's my interpretation, xD
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« Reply #62 on: September 23, 2014, 11:27:19 PM »

I've just become totally apathetic on this Bill... I don't see what it's really going to do, or anything vaguely positive it's going to achieve.

Noting... that we don't actually have text of specific regulations to repeal.

Once this vote is done, I'm moving to table.


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The bill states quite clearly that it will set up a thread where people can present regulations for repeal and then have the Senate vote on whether or not to do so. I get that you try to be as vague as possible but if there's something about the bill you don't understand I'd suggest you be more specific.

Also, I don't think you can table a bill that's already been passed.

Ugh... brain melt on my part.
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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2014, 09:16:24 AM »

Debate should be resumed.

So would a citizen be able to say, "I want Clause 6 removed from Statute Y from 2010" and then the Senate would vote to repeal it? Hmm.
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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2014, 12:08:24 PM »

Debate should be resumed.

So would a citizen be able to say, "I want Clause 6 removed from Statute Y from 2010" and then the Senate would vote to repeal it? Hmm.

As far as I understood the bill; this would just be for regulations, not bills passed by the Senate, but regulations passed by different levels of administrations. So I would guess no.
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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2014, 06:26:07 PM »

Debate should be resumed.

So would a citizen be able to say, "I want Clause 6 removed from Statute Y from 2010" and then the Senate would vote to repeal it? Hmm.

As far as I understood the bill; this would just be for regulations, not bills passed by the Senate, but regulations passed by different levels of administrations. So I would guess no.

But again.... what regulations? Where is the list?
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« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2014, 06:35:22 PM »

Debate should be resumed.

So would a citizen be able to say, "I want Clause 6 removed from Statute Y from 2010" and then the Senate would vote to repeal it? Hmm.

As far as I understood the bill; this would just be for regulations, not bills passed by the Senate, but regulations passed by different levels of administrations. So I would guess no.

But again.... what regulations? Where is the list?
It's true that it may be problematic to find regulations since there are so many complex mandates passed by bureaucrats who rarely inform the public of their doings. That's why I originally structured the bill to place the burden of proof on the advocates of regulations passed without legislative approval. My initial thought was that those defending such a non-transparent regulatory process as workable should be able to find these supposedly necessary regulations themselves if their claims were true. But, the bill was amended.

I don't really get what you're complaining about. If it truly turns out to be impossible to find any regulations passed by regulatory bodies rather than the Senate itself, nothing will come of this.
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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2014, 06:55:06 PM »

Because it's been a waste of time and I should have picked up on it sooner.

I apologise to the people of Atlasia who actually want us dealing with things we can actually do something about.
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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2014, 07:21:19 PM »

Without a simple majority achieved, the redraft sent by the President has failed the Senate.

Aye (2)Sad Senator TNF, Senator Cynic.
Nay (4)Sad Senator Deus, Senator JCL, Senator Yankee, PPT Lumine.
Abstained (3)Sad Senator Polnut, Senator Bore, Senator Cranberry.

Not Voting (1)Sad Senator Cassius.

Deus, you now have the option of sending the bill (pre-redraft) to the President's desk again or resuming debate on it. 
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« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2014, 09:02:59 AM »

That's an odd partisan/ polititcal position vote here...
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« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2014, 05:10:05 PM »

I've thought it over and come to the conclusion that the current version would be pretty ineffectual, so I'd actually like to resume debate and try to fix that, though I hope that resumption of debate won't be used for a tabling attempt by those who have no intention of trying to improve the bill.

My idea (which I will introduce in amendment form soon) is to amend the bill to allow people to introduce proposals to repeal categories of regulation rather than singular regulations. It's virtually impossible to dig up the specific names of regulations, so it would be much simpler to just enable people to propose "the repeal of all regulations mandating x standards for x product" and just have the Senate vote on that.

However, I understand that many Labor Senators may be uneasy with giving the Senate the hypothetical ability to repeal all labor regulations with a single vote, so I would be open to excepting certain regulatory domains.

And Polnut, you've got to be kidding me. I can't believe you're whining so hyperbolically about temporarily using one slot in the queue for a bill you admit will has no potential negative side effects.
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« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2014, 05:31:33 PM »

I've thought it over and come to the conclusion that the current version would be pretty ineffectual, so I'd actually like to resume debate and try to fix that, though I hope that resumption of debate won't be used for a tabling attempt by those who have no intention of trying to improve the bill.

My idea (which I will introduce in amendment form soon) is to amend the bill to allow people to introduce proposals to repeal categories of regulation rather than singular regulations. It's virtually impossible to dig up the specific names of regulations, so it would be much simpler to just enable people to propose "the repeal of all regulations mandating x standards for x product" and just have the Senate vote on that.

However, I understand that many Labor Senators may be uneasy with giving the Senate the hypothetical ability to repeal all labor regulations with a single vote, so I would be open to excepting certain regulatory domains.

And Polnut, you've got to be kidding me. I can't believe you're whining so hyperbolically about temporarily using one slot in the queue for a bill you admit will has no potential negative side effects.

Actually, no effects at all.

There's nothing hyperbolic about saying it's a waste of time and won't do anything at all.
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« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2014, 05:59:04 PM »

Do be careful Polnut, that can be a rather slippery slope in a game environment if you get what I mean. Wink
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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2014, 09:18:20 PM »

Do be careful Polnut, that can be a rather slippery slope in a game environment if you get what I mean. Wink

Indeed.

But I'm stepping back on this one.
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« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2014, 03:52:33 PM »

So where are we now? Tongue
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