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« Reply #700 on: September 14, 2014, 09:37:13 AM »

Word on the street (and by street i mean precinct officers) is that turn-out seems to be higher this year than in 2010. Lines are being reported in polling stations where there's been no lines before, despite the fact that early voting is breaking record numbers once again. Taking this into account, it wouldn't be completely out of question we get 86%-87% turn-out.

   
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« Reply #701 on: September 14, 2014, 09:39:47 AM »

Word on the street (and by street i mean precinct officers) is that turn-out seems to be higher this year than in 2010. Lines are being reported in polling stations where there's been no lines before, despite the fact that early voting is breaking record numbers once again. Taking this into account, it wouldn't be completely out of question we get 86%-87% turn-out.

Amazing. That's what's good about Scandinavia: no lazy voters, like elsewhere.
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« Reply #702 on: September 14, 2014, 09:45:53 AM »
« Edited: September 14, 2014, 09:52:41 AM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

Early exit poll

Red-Greens: 44,9%

Alliance: 39,3%

Sweden Democrats: 10,4%

Feminist Initiative: 3,7%


If this is correct, there will not be a left-wing majority even if FI makes the treshold. SD to hold the balance of power.


They are allowed to release early exit polls before voting has ended ?
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« Reply #703 on: September 14, 2014, 09:47:25 AM »
« Edited: September 14, 2014, 09:52:50 AM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

Early exit poll

Red-Greens: 44,9%

Alliance: 39,3%

Sweden Democrats: 10,4%

Feminist Initiative: 3,7%


If this is correct, there will not be a left-wing majority even if FI makes the treshold. SD to hold the balance of power.


They are allowed to release early exit polls before voting has ended ?

This should be deleted from here, bc the voting is still ongoing.
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« Reply #704 on: September 14, 2014, 09:49:35 AM »
« Edited: September 14, 2014, 09:53:42 AM by PASOK Leader Hashemite »

Early exit poll

Red-Greens: 44,9%

Alliance: 39,3%

Sweden Democrats: 10,4%

Feminist Initiative: 3,7%


If this is correct, there will not be a left-wing majority even if FI makes the treshold. SD to hold the balance of power.


They are allowed to release early exit polls before voting has ended ?

I have no idea. They have done so, at any rate (Metro/YouGov)

Though the "official" exit polls won't be out until 20.00.
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« Reply #705 on: September 14, 2014, 09:52:19 AM »

Is it true that in Sweden there are piles of ballots in the polling station for each party and you can draw a ballot for the party you are voting for ?

So, basically everyone knows for which party you are voting, depending which ballot you take (unless you take ballots for every party with you into the voting booth) ?

You asked this question four years ago as well Tender, I'm disappointed you do not remember.

The answer is yes and yes. People who want to keep their vote secret bring their own ballot papers or take one from every party.

Isn't this a terrible waste of paper you might ask. Yes it is, but Sweden has a very big forestry and paper industry so see it as one big subsidy every four years. Wink

I cannot remember everything ... Tongue

But thx for the answer. Yes, terrible waste of papers indeed.

It works the same way in Spain. You know which party will win in your college before the vote count starts.
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« Reply #706 on: September 14, 2014, 10:15:43 AM »

Yeah, France also uses multiple paper ballots. And most people take all of them into the polling booth (as I did, out of respect for established traditions).


Word on the street (and by street i mean precinct officers) is that turn-out seems to be higher this year than in 2010. Lines are being reported in polling stations where there's been no lines before, despite the fact that early voting is breaking record numbers once again. Taking this into account, it wouldn't be completely out of question we get 86%-87% turn-out.

Wow, that's impressive. High turnout is great news regardless of whom it benefits. Smiley
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« Reply #707 on: September 14, 2014, 10:20:10 AM »

Never heard of the multiple paper ballots before, it would be very controversial to use that system here where the secrecy of the ballot is sacrosanct.
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« Reply #708 on: September 14, 2014, 10:49:57 AM »

It seems kind of strange. Wouldn't it be a lot easier just to distribute ballot papers and have the voters mark them?
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« Reply #709 on: September 14, 2014, 11:05:24 AM »

Never heard of the multiple paper ballots before, it would be very controversial to use that system here where the secrecy of the ballot is sacrosanct.

Exactly. At the last Swedish election, the leading Danish electoral professor, Jørgen Elklit, wrote an article where he said that the Swedish elections could not be characterized as "free and fair" due to the multiple ballot thing, and that party representatives can be present at the polls and hand out ballot papers to the voters. The last problem is amplified by the fact that the election districts in Sweden are generally quite small in terms of population.
He sent the article to the four main Swedish newspapers, but none of them wanted to bring it, so it was only published in Denmark.
Several Danish politicians called for electoral observers from the EU or the OSCE, but I don't think these hopes were materialized.
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« Reply #710 on: September 14, 2014, 11:10:34 AM »

Never heard of the multiple paper ballots before, it would be very controversial to use that system here where the secrecy of the ballot is sacrosanct.

Exactly. At the last Swedish election, the leading Danish electoral professor, Jørgen Elklit, wrote an article where he said that the Swedish elections could not be characterized as "free and fair" due to the multiple ballot thing, and that party representatives can be present at the polls and hand out ballot papers to the voters. The last problem is amplified by the fact that the election districts in Sweden are generally quite small in terms of population.
He sent the article to the four main Swedish newspapers, but none of them wanted to bring it, so it was only published in Denmark.
Several Danish politicians called for electoral observers from the EU or the OSCE, but I don't think these hopes were materialized.

Oh come on, that's ridiculous. Ballot secrecy is absolutely respected as long as voters have the possibility to keep their vote secret. If someone wants to make their vote known, I don't see what's the problem. As for the presence of party officials to oversee the voting process (provided, as I assume, that officials from all parties are present) this is actually a further guarantee of fairness.

Danes being trolls, as usual.
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« Reply #711 on: September 14, 2014, 11:19:25 AM »

Never heard of the multiple paper ballots before, it would be very controversial to use that system here where the secrecy of the ballot is sacrosanct.

Exactly. At the last Swedish election, the leading Danish electoral professor, Jørgen Elklit, wrote an article where he said that the Swedish elections could not be characterized as "free and fair" due to the multiple ballot thing, and that party representatives can be present at the polls and hand out ballot papers to the voters. The last problem is amplified by the fact that the election districts in Sweden are generally quite small in terms of population.
He sent the article to the four main Swedish newspapers, but none of them wanted to bring it, so it was only published in Denmark.
Several Danish politicians called for electoral observers from the EU or the OSCE, but I don't think these hopes were materialized.

Oh come on, that's ridiculous. Ballot secrecy is absolutely respected as long as voters have the possibility to keep their vote secret. If someone wants to make their vote known, I don't see what's the problem. As for the presence of party officials to oversee the voting process (provided, as I assume, that officials from all parties are present) this is actually a further guarantee of fairness.

Danes being trolls, as usual.

Still, the bad optics remain.

Why having such a complicated system, when you can have our easy system as well ? With that you don't have to print 500 million ballots papers (a waste of resources, how can a greenish left-winger like you support this ?), but only 10 million and the ballot secrecy is guaranteed as well. How is Denmark trolling around here ?
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« Reply #712 on: September 14, 2014, 11:23:35 AM »


While I dont think calling for electoral observers in a fellow Nordic country is appropriate its not trolling, rather a refelection of a deep cultural gap on this matter.

If some voters openly show their ballots, there can be a pressure for others to disclose their ballots, so on a principal level its problematic. I very much doubt its an actual problem in a country like Sweden, but never the less it really should be abolished.
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« Reply #713 on: September 14, 2014, 11:25:39 AM »

Ballot secrecy is absolutely respected as long as voters have the possibility to keep their vote secret. If someone wants to make their vote known, I don't see what's the problem.

The problem is that if someone can make their vote public, then they can also be coerced to make their vote public. The secret ballot isn't really secret unless there's no way for a voter to prove that they cast a ballot for a particular party; otherwise, the possibility of voter intimidation is always present.

This is why voting by mail is so problematic.
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« Reply #714 on: September 14, 2014, 11:27:05 AM »

Ballot secrecy is absolutely respected as long as voters have the possibility to keep their vote secret. If someone wants to make their vote known, I don't see what's the problem.

The problem is that if someone can make their vote public, then they can also be coerced to make their vote public. The secret ballot isn't really secret unless there's no way for a voter to prove that they cast a ballot for a particular party; otherwise, the possibility of voter intimidation is always present.

This is why voting by mail is so problematic.

Of course, in the era of smartphones....it seems like even perfect systems would be open to this problem.
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« Reply #715 on: September 14, 2014, 11:31:12 AM »

Yeah, there is no feasible way in the modern word to force ballot secrecy anymore. So details matter little, especially in a country with a deep-rooted democratic culture like Sweden.
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« Reply #716 on: September 14, 2014, 12:11:30 PM »

So, Göteborg is extending their polling hours to 21:30 because of long lines ...

Does this mean we still get the national exit poll at 20:00 or will this be postponed too ?
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« Reply #717 on: September 14, 2014, 12:22:17 PM »

Does this mean we still get the national exit poll at 20:00 or will this be postponed too ?

It won't be postponed. Smiley
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« Reply #718 on: September 14, 2014, 12:23:42 PM »

I had written a post about how vote secrecy works in France with multiple ballot papers, but I cannot find it anywhere because of the sh**tty search engine this forum is given. Maybe someone can find it.

Anyway, I'm not sure one city, even the second largest one, extending their polling hours will delay the result, since it would mean bothering all channels' schedules and they don't like that. I think we'll still get our estimate at 8PM.
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« Reply #719 on: September 14, 2014, 12:24:19 PM »

Turnout is so huge that they need to extend voting time by 1 hour and a half? Does that mean it's going to be near 90%?
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« Reply #720 on: September 14, 2014, 12:29:06 PM »

Turnout is so huge that they need to extend voting time by 1 hour and a half? Does that mean it's going to be near 90%?

Well, it's only in one polling station, which is said to be the largest election site in all of Europe. So that probably explains the long queues. Tongue
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« Reply #721 on: September 14, 2014, 12:29:26 PM »

Turnout is so huge that they need to extend voting time by 1 hour and a half? Does that mean it's going to be near 90%?

Most likely a local thing as it only involves Göteborg.

All other precincts run smoothly.
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« Reply #722 on: September 14, 2014, 12:43:17 PM »

According to the Exit Poll, the top-3 issues for voters were:

* School(s) (system)
* Healthcare
* the Swedish economy
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« Reply #723 on: September 14, 2014, 12:44:36 PM »

When will we get official turnout figures? Are there no preliminary reports before 20?
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« Reply #724 on: September 14, 2014, 12:45:36 PM »

This thread is now locked to separate the results discussion. Please take it over here: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=198703.0

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