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« Reply #100 on: September 26, 2014, 02:11:20 AM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
How will allowing union authorization methods other than card check weaken Atlasian labor? What makes card check a universally optimal authorization process?

This amendment wouldn't ban card check, it would simply allow other methods to be used.

That's not my reading of the amendment, at all.

All Section 2 does is enforce Card Checks as equivalent to a vote; additional methods are only prohibited if a majority already exists.
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« Reply #101 on: September 26, 2014, 02:39:31 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
How will allowing union authorization methods other than card check weaken Atlasian labor? What makes card check a universally optimal authorization process?

This amendment wouldn't ban card check, it would simply allow other methods to be used.

That's not my reading of the amendment, at all.

All Section 2 does is enforce Card Checks as equivalent to a vote; additional methods are only prohibited if a majority already exists.

Then we have a difference of interpretation of section 2.


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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2014, 12:22:14 PM »

Motion for a final vote so we can euthanize this trash.


After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

TNF's grounds for opposition aren't worth it. I'm asking you to change to aye. Card Check must die.

He's not going to. Move this to final vote, please, Mr. PPT.

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Five pages and this thing is still hanging on!
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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2014, 12:55:12 PM »

You know if I were still PPT, this thing would have never come to the floor for a vote in the first place. Tongue
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« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2014, 02:02:03 PM »


I'm ready for a final vote.
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« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »

Senators, a final vote has started on the Capital Freedom Act, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2014, 05:36:46 AM »

NAY
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« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2014, 06:18:41 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #108 on: September 28, 2014, 08:49:23 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2014, 09:42:28 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #110 on: September 28, 2014, 04:03:00 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
How will allowing union authorization methods other than card check weaken Atlasian labor? What makes card check a universally optimal authorization process?

This amendment wouldn't ban card check, it would simply allow other methods to be used.

That's not my reading of the amendment, at all.

All Section 2 does is enforce Card Checks as equivalent to a vote; additional methods are only prohibited if a majority already exists.

I crafted that in a rather hurried fashion, but it was similar to the redraft presented by then President Napoleon at the time on the grounds that the final text had gone too far. I would have been willing to discuss alternatives to section 2.
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« Reply #111 on: September 28, 2014, 04:03:28 PM »

I don't suppose I can get away with a split vote, so I guess Abstain.
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« Reply #112 on: September 28, 2014, 07:42:32 PM »

Abstain.
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« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2014, 06:33:36 AM »

NAY
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« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2014, 01:05:54 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #115 on: September 30, 2014, 04:35:56 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #116 on: September 30, 2014, 06:29:08 PM »

This has enough votes to fail, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #117 on: October 02, 2014, 05:11:17 PM »

A wasted opportunity unfortunately.
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« Reply #118 on: October 03, 2014, 10:23:01 AM »

With five votes against, two in support, two abstentions and one not voting, this fails to pass the Senate.

Aye (2)Sad Senator Cassius and Senator JCL.
Nay (5)Sad Senator TNF, Senator Bore, Senator Cranberry, Senator Polnut and Senator Cynic.
Abstained (2)Sad Senator Yankee and PPT Lumine.

Not Voting (1)Sad Senator Deus.
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« Reply #119 on: October 03, 2014, 10:44:56 AM »

Thank f#ck.
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« Reply #120 on: October 03, 2014, 07:23:07 PM »


You are aware this was me being civil and tame.  The Detroit Plan is coming and just dread the gems in it.
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« Reply #121 on: October 04, 2014, 05:51:43 AM »


You are aware this was me being civil and tame.  The Detroit Plan is coming and just dread the gems in it.

If your civil and tame plan can't pass why do you think an even more radical one would?
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« Reply #122 on: October 04, 2014, 12:25:44 PM »


You are aware this was me being civil and tame.  The Detroit Plan is coming and just dread the gems in it.

If your civil and tame plan can't pass why do you think an even more radical one would?

It wouldn't. It would probably be tabled again.
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« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2014, 12:09:23 AM »


You are aware this was me being civil and tame.  The Detroit Plan is coming and just dread the gems in it.

If your civil and tame plan can't pass why do you think an even more radical one would?

It wouldn't. It would probably be tabled again.

It failed because the merits of my bill were not fairly discussed and looked at with an open mind.
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« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2014, 03:08:58 AM »

It's cute you think that
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