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« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2014, 10:04:09 AM »

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« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2014, 02:32:10 PM »

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« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2014, 03:37:15 PM »

AyeNay

Card Check is not a bullying tactic of unions and as such it must not be put on the ash heap. The old way works for the bosses and should not be restored to weaken unions.

Fixed that for you

Mine is just fine and doesn't need fixed.
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« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2014, 04:55:56 PM »

doesn't need fixed
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« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2014, 11:18:24 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2014, 04:02:13 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2014, 04:04:36 PM »


Yes, what is this? I see JCL do it often. Why?
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« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2014, 04:04:55 PM »

Recognizing unions via card check is fair and democratic, despite Senator Yankee's accusations to the contrary. Going back to the old way of election-based recognition only means weakening our labor movement and making it substantively harder for workers to form unions.

Card check is a weak system and arguably rather unnecessary considering all the recent protections that have been added. It is not a fair system and is subject to intimidation in the absence of a secret ballot, a secret ballot, which should be the most preferably route to take in all circumstances. And especially here where I would think the motivations for abandoning are no longer present as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #83 on: September 21, 2014, 06:04:54 PM »

This is tied at the present.
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« Reply #84 on: September 22, 2014, 01:28:12 AM »

Aha, this might be my first vote, in a moment.
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« Reply #85 on: September 22, 2014, 03:01:43 PM »

Aha, this might be my first vote, in a moment.

This is regarding the amendment. Not the final vote right Lumine?
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« Reply #86 on: September 22, 2014, 04:43:05 PM »

Aha, this might be my first vote, in a moment.

This is regarding the amendment. Not the final vote right Lumine?

Correct
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« Reply #87 on: September 23, 2014, 05:46:02 PM »

I ask once again, why is a weak system like card check preferable to a secret ballot with all the other protections now in place?
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« Reply #88 on: September 23, 2014, 11:03:32 PM »

I ask once again, why is a weak system like card check preferable to a secret ballot with all the other protections now in place?

Because card check makes it easier for workers to form a union.
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« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2014, 07:29:14 PM »

Mr. Vice-President?
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« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2014, 12:15:24 AM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
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« Reply #91 on: September 25, 2014, 11:44:24 AM »

Motion for a final vote so we can euthanize this trash.
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« Reply #92 on: September 25, 2014, 12:17:09 PM »

Motion for a final vote so we can euthanize this trash.

I second this motion.
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« Reply #93 on: September 25, 2014, 12:30:41 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

TNF's grounds for opposition aren't worth it. I'm asking you to change to aye. Card Check must die.
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« Reply #94 on: September 25, 2014, 12:46:48 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

TNF's grounds for opposition aren't worth it. I'm asking you to change to aye. Card Check must die.

You don't realise that it's him that makes the decision whether the grounds for opposition are worth it for himself, just like you did for yourself? He made his decision, now please get over with it.
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« Reply #95 on: September 25, 2014, 02:07:57 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.
How will allowing union authorization methods other than card check weaken Atlasian labor? What makes card check a universally optimal authorization process?

This amendment wouldn't ban card check, it would simply allow other methods to be used.
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« Reply #96 on: September 25, 2014, 03:49:26 PM »

After consideration, NAY. I oppose JCL's amendment, mostly on the grounds TNF outlined.

TNF's grounds for opposition aren't worth it. I'm asking you to change to aye. Card Check must die.

He's not going to. Move this to final vote, please, Mr. PPT.
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« Reply #97 on: September 25, 2014, 06:15:25 PM »

So a secret ballot is a worthy sacrifice for a barely noticebable difference (considering the other protections) in terms of union formation. I love that the end cannot be acceptable unless the preferred means are used as well. Tongue
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« Reply #98 on: September 25, 2014, 06:17:39 PM »

I also love the absence of debate in context on the point I raised that goes beyond one line from a single Senator. Tongue
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« Reply #99 on: September 25, 2014, 10:05:58 PM »

Sponsoor, thoughts on a final vote?
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