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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2014, 07:26:48 PM »
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Senator Yankee - do you have amendments or suggestions? I'm happy to entertain reasonable amendments as friendly.

Mind you, I'm also a little concerned about the straw-man of the carbon price being some kind of  unilateral action that has no connection to any other kind of global action. Considering China was raised, it is important to note that large tracts of China will have a carbon tax in place by next year.

It is us playing our role and taking action early benefits us in the long-term. We have the capacity to do something and continue to build and develop our economy.

This action considers a simple issue - we have a source of revenue that creates a price signal. There are issues about needing to expand eligibility and increase the value of low-income support for heating, as well as creating credits to enable households to undertake their own energy-efficiency activities, including self-generation, that can actually make households money.
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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2014, 12:23:30 PM »

Bumping Deus's amendment for more clarity:

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A vote is now open on the proposed amendment. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2014, 12:50:17 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2014, 01:00:25 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2014, 01:42:14 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2014, 03:07:09 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2014, 06:08:21 PM »

Senator Yankee - do you have amendments or suggestions? I'm happy to entertain reasonable amendments as friendly.

Mind you, I'm also a little concerned about the straw-man of the carbon price being some kind of  unilateral action that has no connection to any other kind of global action. Considering China was raised, it is important to note that large tracts of China will have a carbon tax in place by next year.

It is us playing our role and taking action early benefits us in the long-term. We have the capacity to do something and continue to build and develop our economy.

This action considers a simple issue - we have a source of revenue that creates a price signal. There are issues about needing to expand eligibility and increase the value of low-income support for heating, as well as creating credits to enable households to undertake their own energy-efficiency activities, including self-generation, that can actually make households money.

Actually I agree with most everything the text does at this point considering that the carbon tax is here to stay most likely. Tongue

I never said that we should do nothing, I just have issues with the carbon tax as the base approach to work from. I would a slightly more complex but less overarching approach combining some incentives and regulations.
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2014, 06:16:05 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2014, 06:29:07 PM »

Nay I suppose

I share Deus is preference, but if I have to choose a research mandate is preferably in my view to the other worse options.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2014, 09:08:26 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2014, 08:04:01 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2014, 09:38:01 AM »

Actually, I am switching to abstain, I would prefer a less aggressive wording on that.
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2014, 10:58:03 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2014, 10:33:23 PM »

With six votes in the negative and two in the affirmative, this amendment has failed.

Aye (2)Sad Senator Deus and Senator Cassius.
Nay (6)Sad Senator Cranberry, Senator Cynic, Senator Bore, Senator Polnut, President Pro Tempore Lumine and Senator TNF.
Abstained (1)Sad Senator Yankee.

Not Voting (1)Sad Senator JCL.

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Senator TNF, will you withdraw your earlier amendment as stated before or should I consider it as still active?
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2014, 06:05:25 PM »

So I'm happy to juggle the numbers of the R&D component, otherwise the amendment from Senator Deus is unfriendly.
Would you be willing to amend the figure to 5%?
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2014, 06:52:06 PM »

So I'm happy to juggle the numbers of the R&D component, otherwise the amendment from Senator Deus is unfriendly.
Would you be willing to amend the figure to 5%?

How about phased over three years?
5% -> 7.5% -> 10%
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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2014, 10:11:48 PM »

Abstain for the record.
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2014, 03:25:02 PM »

So I'm happy to juggle the numbers of the R&D component, otherwise the amendment from Senator Deus is unfriendly.
Would you be willing to amend the figure to 5%?

How about phased over three years?
5% -> 7.5% -> 10%
I'll agree to that.
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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2014, 04:35:38 AM »


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Senators, here is my amended Bill, reflecting discussions.
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2014, 03:49:05 PM »

It looks good from first glance.

That is yet to be offered correct?
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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2014, 07:18:49 PM »

I would like this to be considered as an amendment.
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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2014, 08:30:28 AM »

I would have preferred 20% for R&D, and I guess this would have passed this Senate; but yeah, I will still support this of course.
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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2014, 01:11:28 PM »

Very well, Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment.
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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2014, 01:20:04 PM »

I object to the amendment. There's no reason to pander to those who wish to undermine the intent of this bill when we have the votes to the contrary.
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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2014, 07:00:34 PM »

I object to the amendment. There's no reason to pander to those who wish to undermine the intent of this bill when we have the votes to the contrary.
Why do you consider 20% to be an ideal figure?
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