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« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2014, 08:14:16 PM »

Senators, a vote has started on Senator Polnut's amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2014, 09:53:19 AM »

I object to the amendment. There's no reason to pander to those who wish to undermine the intent of this bill when we have the votes to the contrary.
Why do you consider 20% to be an ideal figure?

Because it's a higher figure, compared to what is being offered now. The more money we can throw into research and development, the better.

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« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2014, 07:16:03 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2014, 09:01:01 AM »

I guess NAY, too.
I prefer 20% over 10%; but I will of course support the bill also if the amendment is approved.
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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2014, 05:37:52 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2014, 05:50:14 PM »

Aye

Though I am open to discuss the numbers further
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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2014, 05:52:33 PM »

Abstain
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« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2014, 07:33:07 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2014, 01:04:33 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2014, 02:50:21 PM »
« Edited: September 26, 2014, 03:03:21 PM by Deus Naturae »

I object to the amendment. There's no reason to pander to those who wish to undermine the intent of this bill when we have the votes to the contrary.
Why do you consider 20% to be an ideal figure?

Because it's a higher figure, compared to what is being offered now. The more money we can throw into research and development, the better.

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You would support a 90% R/D mandate? What do you think needs to be researched further?
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« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2014, 01:01:57 PM »

Energy capture and storage devices, for one. Personally I'm fine with throwing as much money as we can at renewable energy. I tend to think that we should leave the Earth in a better condition for those who come after us than those who came before us did for us.
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« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2014, 11:29:18 PM »

The amendment has failed.

Aye (3)Sad PPT Lumine, Senator Deus and Senator Yankee.
Nay (4)Sad Senator TNF, Senator Cranberry, Senator Bore and Senator Cynic.
Abstained (1)Sad Senator JCL.

Not Voting (2)Sad Senator Polnut and Senator Cassius.
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« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2014, 03:35:57 PM »

The difference here at least from my perspective is not that huge. My main concern is the wording of the present text and to some extent the one size fits all number with regards to the research mandate. I would prefer one that didn't operate with such a heavy hand and a greater degree of contextuality so to speak based on industry at least or perhaps company, though granted that could get rather complex to formulate obviously.
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« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2014, 05:54:50 AM »

I'm pleased to see the Senate vote down the watering down of this bill. We can and should do better for ourselves and future generations.
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« Reply #64 on: September 29, 2014, 06:25:49 AM »

I move a for a final vote on the current version.
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« Reply #65 on: September 29, 2014, 06:50:07 AM »

I second the motion of the sponsor.
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« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2014, 12:10:43 PM »

Very well, a final vote has started on the Energy for the Future Bill of 2014. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #67 on: September 29, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #68 on: September 29, 2014, 01:12:00 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #69 on: September 29, 2014, 01:42:14 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2014, 02:26:04 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2014, 05:14:49 PM »

Reluctantly Nay
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« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2014, 06:30:30 PM »

Nay

Requiring electric plants and drilling companies to invest one fifth of their profits in research and development (of what, exactly?) is asinine. The only companies with an incentive to invest in renewable technology are renewable technology developers and manufacturers...which aren't even covered by this bill.
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« Reply #73 on: September 30, 2014, 12:00:34 PM »

They are not covered in this bill because they already have the incentive and therefore spend those money in R&D, I should assume. Because we need more R&D when it comes to renewable energies, we need to give other power and fuel companies an incentive - this bill.
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« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2014, 01:10:15 PM »

Aye
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