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« Reply #75 on: September 30, 2014, 03:39:09 PM »

Nay. To force companies to give up further profits by mandate of the environmentalist lobby wing is simply a non starter.
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« Reply #76 on: September 30, 2014, 05:01:49 PM »

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« Reply #77 on: September 30, 2014, 06:27:07 PM »

Abstain. In most situations I would enthusiastically support this, but as others have stated 20% seems too high and too punishing.
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« Reply #78 on: September 30, 2014, 06:28:16 PM »

This has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2014, 11:03:07 AM »

To force companies to give up further profits by mandate of the environmentalist lobby wing is simply a non starter.

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« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2014, 10:21:59 PM »

They are not covered in this bill because they already have the incentive and therefore spend those money in R&D, I should assume. Because we need more R&D when it comes to renewable energies, we need to give other power and fuel companies an incentive - this bill.
Why would a power plant invest in research of renewable technologies? Power plants themselves don't manufacture the turbines, generators, etc that they use, they purchase them from manufacturers (ie, the companies whose job it actually is to research, develop, and manufacture equipment). You think a company whose job it is to generate electricity is just going to open up a manufacturing plant? It makes no sense to require them to research renewable technologies when their job has nothing to do with developing renewable technology.
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« Reply #81 on: October 02, 2014, 05:00:40 PM »

The research mandate needed a lot more work to be practical in my opinion and needed to be crafted based on the industry in question as opposed to a one size fits all blanket wording.
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« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2014, 10:40:32 AM »

Very well, this passes the Senate.

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« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2014, 01:05:09 PM »

They are not covered in this bill because they already have the incentive and therefore spend those money in R&D, I should assume. Because we need more R&D when it comes to renewable energies, we need to give other power and fuel companies an incentive - this bill.
Why would a power plant invest in research of renewable technologies? Power plants themselves don't manufacture the turbines, generators, etc that they use, they purchase them from manufacturers (ie, the companies whose job it actually is to research, develop, and manufacture equipment). You think a company whose job it is to generate electricity is just going to open up a manufacturing plant? It makes no sense to require them to research renewable technologies when their job has nothing to do with developing renewable technology.
No, but you know just as me that you can't simplify this the way you just did. Research and Development is more than just manufacturing the turbines and generators; it's just equally trying to update your power plant building so to make it loose less energy, need less energy in general, maybe building stuff to reduce CO2 or whatever else there are emissions, etc etc... No one forces them to research a brilliant innovative idea, we are just forcing them to do their homework for our environment.
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« Reply #84 on: October 05, 2014, 05:40:18 PM »

What is this doing right now?
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« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2014, 06:34:46 PM »


Currently waiting for the President to sign, since DemPGH did not take action before resigning.
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« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2014, 09:59:46 PM »

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« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2014, 10:12:26 PM »

Sponsor, as a redraft has been offered you can file a motion for the Senate to approve the redraft by simple majority, or withdraw the bill.
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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2014, 05:53:36 PM »

Up to 35%... that's probably pushing it.

Let me think on it.
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« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2014, 11:17:36 PM »

Up to 35%... that's probably pushing it.

Let me think on it.

Well, the average stays the same, but we create an allowance for going well above or well below the average for certain industries. I do like the idea of a window, but we could lower the average if you want. We could make it 15% with a window of 5% to 25%, for example.
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« Reply #90 on: October 08, 2014, 09:38:37 PM »

What shall we do then?
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« Reply #91 on: October 08, 2014, 09:44:55 PM »

How does the President feel about the current draft?
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« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2014, 07:07:12 AM »

I guess I like the redraft more than the old version; so yeah, I would prefer the redraft version.
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« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2014, 08:16:56 AM »

35% does seem excessive... but it is determined at the maximum. I'm fine with it.
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« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2014, 04:48:10 PM »

Alright, shall we vote on it then?
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« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2014, 09:36:17 PM »

Let's do it
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« Reply #96 on: October 12, 2014, 03:53:31 PM »

Senators, a vote is now open on the redraft. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #97 on: October 13, 2014, 04:03:25 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #98 on: October 13, 2014, 04:33:01 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #99 on: October 13, 2014, 04:48:50 AM »

Nay
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