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« on: September 12, 2014, 12:41:08 AM »

Sanders isn't creating any daylight on foreign policy between himself and Hillary Clinton.  He presumably wants to run a domestic policy-themed campaign:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/217383-sanders-backs-obama-plan-but-warns-of-risks

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 12:47:11 AM »

WARMONGER! NEOCON! CHENEYITE! WAR CRIMINAL!

Anyway, glad to see that everyone is now embracing Hillary's strategy of arming the moderate Syrian rebels despite everyone and their mother bashing her about it a few months ago. Somehow, I doubt the media which has an axe to grind against her will give her any credit.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 09:30:28 AM »

Sanders is an interventionist too now.  I guess Schweitzer is the only anti-war candidate for the Dems?
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 10:42:35 AM »

Sanders is an interventionist too now.  I guess Schweitzer is the only anti-war candidate for the Dems?

Has he even stated a position on ISIS?
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 11:19:09 AM »

Everyone seems to be condemning ISIS, actually. They're an evil organization, but apparently we're forgetting about the last two times we invaded the region. Honestly, no one gets brownie points for hating ISIS anymore; even Al-Qaeda and Iran want them gone. Basically, it's become regular human decency to hate them.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 12:42:02 PM »

Bashar Assad is sticking up for them.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 01:22:47 PM »

WARMONGER! NEOCON! CHENEYITE! WAR CRIMINAL!

Anyway, glad to see that everyone is now embracing Hillary's strategy of arming the moderate Syrian rebels despite everyone and their mother bashing her about it a few months ago. Somehow, I doubt the media which has an axe to grind against her will give her any credit.

Still doesn't mean it's the right strategy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 01:42:26 PM »

Sanders is an interventionist too now.  I guess Schweitzer is the only anti-war candidate for the Dems?
Now? This is nothing new.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 02:40:57 PM »

WARMONGER! NEOCON! CHENEYITE! WAR CRIMINAL!

Anyway, glad to see that everyone is now embracing Hillary's strategy of arming the moderate Syrian rebels despite everyone and their mother bashing her about it a few months ago. Somehow, I doubt the media which has an axe to grind against her will give her any credit.

Still doesn't mean it's the right strategy.

Yeah, leadership doesn't mean making the wrong choice because everyone else is doing it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2014, 02:45:22 PM »

Sanders isn't creating any daylight on foreign policy between himself and Hillary Clinton.  He presumably wants to run a domestic policy-themed campaign:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/217383-sanders-backs-obama-plan-but-warns-of-risks

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It seems he has some reservations.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2014, 03:49:05 PM »
« Edited: September 12, 2014, 10:40:38 PM by Deus Naturae »

Sanders isn't creating any daylight on foreign policy between himself and Hillary Clinton.  He presumably wants to run a domestic policy-themed campaign:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/217383-sanders-backs-obama-plan-but-warns-of-risks

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It seems he has some reservations.
He implies that they aren't actually moderate...but agrees with Obama that we should help them anyway?? That's totally incoherent and is an even worse position than just wanting to help the rebels.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2014, 09:20:32 PM »

Sanders is an interventionist too now.  I guess Schweitzer is the only anti-war candidate for the Dems?

Has he even stated a position on ISIS?

No, but he hasn't been beating the war drums.

@ SWE, I thought he was a non-interventionist, apparently I'm wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2014, 11:45:34 PM »


He doesn't mind them being bombed, but he wants the US to ask permission.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2014, 03:40:34 AM »


He doesn't mind them being bombed, but he wants the US to ask permission.

lol. You just have to laugh about this whole thing at this point.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 04:24:21 AM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2014, 06:02:03 PM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action? 
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2014, 08:45:45 PM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action? 

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2014, 09:39:27 PM »
« Edited: September 13, 2014, 10:03:56 PM by Deus Naturae »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action?  

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
Maybe not, but they clearly had a number of members who were jihadists, as evidenced by their killing of religious minorities and the fact that a bunch of then-FSA fighters have now defected to ISIS.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2014, 09:44:49 PM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action? 

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
Maybe not, but they clearly had a number of members who were jihadists, evidenced by their reported their killing of religious minorities and the fact that a bunch of then-FSA fighters have now defected to ISIS.

But I thought they were the "moderates" that Hillary and Barack wanted to arm?  Have they learned nothing from the results of prior regime changes?
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2014, 10:39:15 PM »

Nobody can say anything good about ISIS.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2014, 10:42:23 PM »

Nobody can say anything good about ISIS.

When Saudi Arabia thinks you're a radical group of Muslims, something is WRONG.
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2014, 12:08:20 AM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action?  

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
Maybe not, but they clearly had a number of members who were jihadists, as evidenced by their killing of religious minorities and the fact that a bunch of then-FSA fighters have now defected to ISIS.

The FSA leader clearly stated they had no other goals except the removal of Assad. These religious minorities they were 'attacking' where Alawhites who blindly and stupidly follow and supported every move Assad made, and let's not act like Assad didn't target the Sunni majority during the war and before *cough*sarin gas attacks*cough* If the FSA has become radicalised it's only been in recent times and due to the lack of international support - but that isn't even what has happened considering they are vehemently opposed to the IS.
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2014, 12:22:12 AM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action?  

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
Maybe not, but they clearly had a number of members who were jihadists, as evidenced by their killing of religious minorities and the fact that a bunch of then-FSA fighters have now defected to ISIS.

The FSA leader clearly stated they had no other goals except the removal of Assad.

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/the-free-syrian-army-doesnt-exist/
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2014, 12:26:31 AM »

Also:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-problem-with-bombing-isis-in-syria/379081/

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2014, 01:36:56 AM »

So almost 2 years after she left the state department people are beginning to realise Hillary was right all along...

Right about what?  That intervening earlier, deposing Assad, and letting ISIS take Syria was the right course of action? 

Free Syrian Army does not equal ISIS.
Maybe not, but they clearly had a number of members who were jihadists, evidenced by their reported their killing of religious minorities and the fact that a bunch of then-FSA fighters have now defected to ISIS.

But I thought they were the "moderates" that Hillary and Barack wanted to arm?  Have they learned nothing from the results of prior regime changes?

Huh? Obama and Hillary disagreed on this issue.
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