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Question: Should Scotland be an independent country?
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« on: September 14, 2014, 12:47:45 PM »

Scotland has had remarkable growth rates in recent years in sectors like farmed salmonds,

Nice Freudian typo there. Tongue

I mostly agree with Foucaulf; though I'd replace his worry about right-wing populism (not really much of an issue there I'd think) with a worry about how Scottish independence would be a pro-Tory gerrymander in the rest of the UK.  And, yes, that is a legitimate thing to care about.

If Scotland was proposing to have its own currency (and would be allowed to have one by the EU they would like to be a part of) then I would look more favorably upon the "Yes" crew.  But their current "solution" to the currency issue is obviously bad, and obviously looms large.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2014, 02:45:00 PM »

I mostly agree with Foucaulf; though I'd replace his worry about right-wing populism (not really much of an issue there I'd think) with a worry about how Scottish independence would be a pro-Tory gerrymander in the rest of the UK.  And, yes, that is a legitimate thing to care about.

No it's not. The Scottish don't owe the rest of Britain a Labour government.

Not to mention that the importance of Labour's Scottish seats are overrated but that's not particularly relevant in this context.

Well "owe" is not the sort of framing I'd use, but as someone who is not a Scot or an Englander, but who does care about the well-being of people who live in all parts of the island, it's obviously a perfectly legitimate concern to have. And it's a perfectly legitimate reason to favor one side or another, keeping in mind of course that it's not actually my decision to make.

Scotland has had remarkable growth rates in recent years in sectors like farmed salmonds,

Nice Freudian typo there. Tongue

I mostly agree with Foucaulf; though I'd replace his worry about right-wing populism (not really much of an issue there I'd think) with a worry about how Scottish independence would be a pro-Tory gerrymander in the rest of the UK.  And, yes, that is a legitimate thing to care about.

If Scotland was proposing to have its own currency (and would be allowed to have one by the EU they would like to be a part of) then I would look more favorably upon the "Yes" crew.  But their current "solution" to the currency issue is obviously bad, and obviously looms large.

England has in several post-war elections produced a Labour majority of its own and can do so again.

Its not up to the EU to decide whether Scotland should have its own currency. But I agree its a mistake not to create one, even if its understandable from a tactical POV.They can, however, decide to create one at a later date, so I think there is far too much emphasis on the currency question.

The EU requires new members to join the Euro.  Scotland would be a new member.  So, even if it shouldn't be, it is. Unless Scotland wants to stay outside of the EU?
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 01:09:52 PM »

You damn know it. Anyone identifying this as simply nationalistic (calling it that doesn't mean much without the context) is missing the strong political reasons for doing this, mainly that Scotland has been under the grip of conservative England while its citizens are significantly more socialist. Scotland ought to be able to chart its own path on these issues.

The most unfortunate part about this is the boost that it will give to the Tories.

And when is Manchester going to get their independence vote?
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