Update XVII: I Ate The Strawberry (The REAL, AUTHENTIC Update)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I'll be completely honest with my pastor.  I am honest on Facebook, and that's what I'll tell him and more.

Jeff, if you were honest on Facebook, you wouldn't have deleted Andrew and I.  You may not be dishonest with those on Facebook (although Rainbow Play Systems was certainly an outright lie), but you are selective in what you share; you share the good and not the bad, for the most part.  While that's not dishonest, it leads to people creating a perception about you that is different from reality.

And will you really be completely honest?  You'll tell him about the crying episodes, the screaming outburst, the repeated lying about your weight, the use of your parents money to buy porn, your tendency to rush into making decisions, your financial dependence on your parents without making any personal financial sacrifices?  And these are just naming a few.  This is all part of the overall problem, and they're all connected.  If you're not sharing all this and more, talking to your pastor is pointless.

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This is why God invented Skype.

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OK, Jeff, again, you're not even reading what I'm saying.  Even if you're perfectly mentally healthy, I'm suggesting that you see a psychiatrist the same way that you would see a doctor for a yearly physical or a dentist for a teeth cleaning.  Think of it as preventive medicine.  And the sentence, "The pastor is as good as you're going to get" really saddens me... you seem to think that you should be doing this stuff to make me or the forum happy.  That's not it at all.  You should be doing this to improve your life and help get you on the track to success.

Personally, I think you need to see a psychiatrist or therapist, but that's just my opinion.  I'm merely pointing out that even if I'm wrong, you have absolutely nothing to lose by going.  It just astounds me that you're so adamant about not going.  You don't tell people, "I DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE DENTIST! So just SHUT UP!" or "I DON'T NEED TO GET MY BLOODWORK DONE!  So just SHUT UP!"  So I really don't understand why you're reacting differently here.

[WalterMitty]

bushie why were you uninvited to kansas city?

and has papa bushie begun clearing out his train room to make room for you to move back in, which apparently youve already done?

[J-Mann]

bushie why were you uninvited to kansas city?

and has papa bushie begun clearing out his train room to make room for you to move back in, which apparently youve already done?

He's answered this a couple of times already. You should read the Update to keep up with these sorts of thing

[WalterMitty]

bushie why were you uninvited to kansas city?

and has papa bushie begun clearing out his train room to make room for you to move back in, which apparently youve already done?

He's answered this a couple of times already. You should read the Update to keep up with these sorts of thing

the only answer i saw was that his uncle didnt want him to come.  i guess i am asking why didnt his uncle want him to visit?

[J-Mann]

My Aunt and Uncle have things specifically lined up for Mom and Dad.  I was working at the time they booked this trip, so that's why I wasn't included.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

bushie why were you uninvited to kansas city?

and has papa bushie begun clearing out his train room to make room for you to move back in, which apparently youve already done?

He's answered this a couple of times already. You should read the Update to keep up with these sorts of thing

the only answer i saw was that his uncle didnt want him to come.  i guess i am asking why didnt his uncle want him to visit?

From what he said, it sounds like he was never invited; he just assumed he could tag along and ended up finding out that was not the case.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Just drop it.  It's going nowhere.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

As soon as I get my employment settled,

Why wait?

Since I'm looking in two different cities, I want to wait until I get my employment settled so in case my pastor wants to schedule follow-up visits.

Jeff, you're just making excuses now.  You know you have time to schedule this stuff.  Your job hunt hasn't stopped you from taking naps and watching dozens of hours of TV.  You're embarrassing yourself by putting forward this argument that you're too busy.

And I'd still like to hear your answer to why you do not want to see a psychiatrist or professional therapist.  It can't simply just be "Because I don't need to."  There must be something more.  You go to the dentist periodically, even when you don't have cavities; you get your bloodwork checked frequently, even though you don't have diabetes.  So why is this different?  I don't understand your strong insistence against just going and talking with someone who's trained in this stuff.

I'll be completely honest with my pastor.  I am honest on Facebook, and that's what I'll tell him and more.

Where are you reading that I'm too busy?  I am not in any way using that excuse.  I'm just saying that in case he wants to follow up with me and is in a different city, I don't have to travel 100 miles each way to see him once a week or whatever it is.

Plus, I DO NOT NEED TO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST.  I am not mentally ill like you seem to suggest.  I do take that offensively, because it is offensive to me.  The pastor is as good as you're going to get. So, just, SHUT UP!!!

And this is why he will never get his life in order. Seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist doesn't mean you're mentally ill. You see them to work through things. My parents have seen them. I have seen them during their divorce. It felt better to talk to someone who was unbiased and did not have a dog in the fight and someone who could give me advice.

Because all of my family has seen people at some point or another, does that mean we are all mentally ill?

[WalterMitty]

bushie why were you uninvited to kansas city?

and has papa bushie begun clearing out his train room to make room for you to move back in, which apparently youve already done?

He's answered this a couple of times already. You should read the Update to keep up with these sorts of thing

the only answer i saw was that his uncle didnt want him to come.  i guess i am asking why didnt his uncle want him to visit?

From what he said, it sounds like he was never invited; he just assumed he could tag along and ended up finding out that was not the case.

ah.  that makes sense.

bushie, why dont you hang out at your own place?  someone is paying rent for you and you arent even using it.

[patrick1]

Jeff, I was in dire straits several years back. I had several personal issues, was massively overweight, out of work, depressed, directionless and really scared. Roughly 3 years later, Im 140lbs lighter and in the best shape since 18yo, and  have an important, fulfilling and well compensated career.  I would not be where I am today had I not realized that I needed help.  From your posts you are intelligent, but you tend to make bad and emotionally erratic decisions. It pains me to see you struggle and it doesnt have to be this way. I still have doubts and anxiety, but there things you can do to cope and power through.

P.M. me if you ever want to chat.  

[Joe Biden 2020]

I've got one interview in Oklahoma City tomorrow. If I don't get that job, I am going to focus my search efforts exclusively in Tulsa. I'm already set up and established up there, and it would be so much easier to stay up there. Plus, there seem to be a few more job opportunities up there than there are in Oklahoma City. I'll go back up there on Monday for three days and then I'll be up there to stay starting Monday, October 20 except for Halloween weekend when I'll be back down here for one more weekend. That will be my last trip home until Thanksgiving.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

As soon as I get my employment settled,

Why wait?

Since I'm looking in two different cities, I want to wait until I get my employment settled so in case my pastor wants to schedule follow-up visits.

Jeff, you're just making excuses now.  You know you have time to schedule this stuff.  Your job hunt hasn't stopped you from taking naps and watching dozens of hours of TV.  You're embarrassing yourself by putting forward this argument that you're too busy.

And I'd still like to hear your answer to why you do not want to see a psychiatrist or professional therapist.  It can't simply just be "Because I don't need to."  There must be something more.  You go to the dentist periodically, even when you don't have cavities; you get your bloodwork checked frequently, even though you don't have diabetes.  So why is this different?  I don't understand your strong insistence against just going and talking with someone who's trained in this stuff.

I'll be completely honest with my pastor.  I am honest on Facebook, and that's what I'll tell him and more.

Where are you reading that I'm too busy?  I am not in any way using that excuse.  I'm just saying that in case he wants to follow up with me and is in a different city, I don't have to travel 100 miles each way to see him once a week or whatever it is.

Plus, I DO NOT NEED TO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST.  I am not mentally ill like you seem to suggest.  I do take that offensively, because it is offensive to me.  The pastor is as good as you're going to get. So, just, SHUT UP!!!

And this is why he will never get his life in order. Seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist doesn't mean you're mentally ill. You see them to work through things. My parents have seen them. I have seen them during their divorce. It felt better to talk to someone who was unbiased and did not have a dog in the fight and someone who could give me advice.

Because all of my family has seen people at some point or another, does that mean we are all mentally ill?

Bingo. He equates seeing someone as an admission of being a mental nut job.  I guess I'm one too. 

[memphis]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

What? 5-10 minutes? I've never talked to a psychiatrist who talked to me for less than 30 minutes, sometimes an hour.

[Joe Biden 2020]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

This is my main qualm about seeing one.  I don't think I need one, but they are mostly a revolving door of medicine.  If there's one thing my body doesn't need it's more medication.  I currently already take 7 pills in the morning including my multivitamin, 1 pill in the early evening, and 3 pills at bed time, plus my "as-needed" meds like my migraine pill and OTC's.  In about 3 weeks, I will be losing one pill in the morning and at bed time, but still I'm already being pumped full of drugs as it is.  My liver doesn't need any more meds.  If I see anybody, it would be a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  I went to a psychologist in the 5th-7th grades when I was going through a very rough time in school and with my Tourette's.  It really helped.  If I could find a job that provided good benefits, I would see if I can see a psychologist.  I just don't trust psychiatrists.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

What? 5-10 minutes? I've never talked to a psychiatrist who talked to me for less than 30 minutes, sometimes an hour.

For me, psychologist. 1 hour every 2 weeks. The woman was a miracle worker.

[Joe Biden 2020]

What? 5-10 minutes? I've never talked to a psychiatrist who talked to me for less than 30 minutes, sometimes an hour.

For me, psychologist. 1 hour every 2 weeks. The woman was a miracle worker.

My psychologist sessions, I think was 1 hour a week or every other week.  It's been 20+ years, so I don't really remember.  I still miss her and wonder what she's up to.

[J-Mann]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

This is my main qualm about seeing one.  I don't think I need one, but they are mostly a revolving door of medicine.  If there's one thing my body doesn't need it's more medication.  I currently already take 7 pills in the morning including my multivitamin, 1 pill in the early evening, and 3 pills at bed time, plus my "as-needed" meds like my migraine pill and OTC's.  In about 3 weeks, I will be losing one pill in the morning and at bed time, but still I'm already being pumped full of drugs as it is.  My liver doesn't need any more meds.  If I see anybody, it would be a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  I went to a psychologist in the 5th-7th grades when I was going through a very rough time in school and with my Tourette's.  It really helped.  If I could find a job that provided good benefits, I would see if I can see a psychologist.  I just don't trust psychiatrists.

It comes off as kind-off fluffy BS sometimes, but what about a life coach? You may or may not benefit from medication, but I think you could definitely benefit from doing some real planning with someone and having them hold you regularly accountable. This seems to be your big missing link.

Read the post I had on the last page comparing your issues to those of an alcoholic. You may not need a psychiatrist, but darn it if you couldn't benefit from "professional help" of some sort that is committed to true planning and accountability with you.

[Joe Biden 2020]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

This is my main qualm about seeing one.  I don't think I need one, but they are mostly a revolving door of medicine.  If there's one thing my body doesn't need it's more medication.  I currently already take 7 pills in the morning including my multivitamin, 1 pill in the early evening, and 3 pills at bed time, plus my "as-needed" meds like my migraine pill and OTC's.  In about 3 weeks, I will be losing one pill in the morning and at bed time, but still I'm already being pumped full of drugs as it is.  My liver doesn't need any more meds.  If I see anybody, it would be a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  I went to a psychologist in the 5th-7th grades when I was going through a very rough time in school and with my Tourette's.  It really helped.  If I could find a job that provided good benefits, I would see if I can see a psychologist.  I just don't trust psychiatrists.

It comes off as kind-off fluffy BS sometimes, but what about a life coach? You may or may not benefit from medication, but I think you could definitely benefit from doing some real planning with someone and having them hold you regularly accountable. This seems to be your big missing link.

Read the post I had on the last page comparing your issues to those of an alcoholic. You may not need a psychiatrist, but darn it if you couldn't benefit from "professional help" of some sort that is committed to true planning and accountability with you.

When I get the proper benefits from an employer, I'll see about seeing a psychologist.

[patrick1]

Jeff, why don't you utilize the native health care?  Talking to someone may even lead you down good path of getting stable employment.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Jeff, why don't you utilize the native health care?  Talking to someone may even lead you down good path of getting stable employment.

I've thought about that.  I may call down there later in the month when I start settling back down in my activities and see what they recommend and if they have any services available.  The only problem is the tribal health care complex is roughly 100 miles from my apartment in Tulsa, so it would be a bit of a drive unless I could utilize someone from a tribe that's closer to where I live, like the Cherokee or Creek tribes.

[Paul Kemp]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

It sounds like you should find a new one.

I don't mean that as a sort of shot but I do know firsthand that there are those psychiatrists out there who tend to view these appointments as routine, quick visits that seem to merely be drug transactions. Despite that, I also know that there are a good degree of them who take their time with their patients (30 to an hour as Duke pointed out, once a week usually) with a lesser degree of emphasis on pharmaceuticals. I think seeing one once every three months is a terrible idea unless the patient's sole purpose for being there is to get medication. Like most things, it all depends on who you see and what you're looking for.

Alternately, "-ologists" are a good place to go for similar treatment without worrying about being pumped full of meds.

[Indy Texas]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

This is my main qualm about seeing one.  I don't think I need one, but they are mostly a revolving door of medicine.  If there's one thing my body doesn't need it's more medication.  I currently already take 7 pills in the morning including my multivitamin, 1 pill in the early evening, and 3 pills at bed time, plus my "as-needed" meds like my migraine pill and OTC's.  In about 3 weeks, I will be losing one pill in the morning and at bed time, but still I'm already being pumped full of drugs as it is.  My liver doesn't need any more meds.  If I see anybody, it would be a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  I went to a psychologist in the 5th-7th grades when I was going through a very rough time in school and with my Tourette's.  It really helped.  If I could find a job that provided good benefits, I would see if I can see a psychologist.  I just don't trust psychiatrists.

Would you consider seeing a licensed professional counselor? They generally have a master's in psychology or clinical psychology and a counseling license, in lieu of a PhD. Insurance doesn't cover them but most decent sized cities have counseling practices that use a sliding scale fee schedule based on patients' ability to pay.

[Joe Biden 2020]

As I've stated numerous times, I don't at all understand what sort of magic you people seem to think a psychiatrist would do with Bushie. As it happens, I see one every three months. They're not miracle workers, and, for the most part, they're not talk therapists either. Like most doctors, they see patients for 5-10 minutes unless there is an extreme and urgent emergency. Mostly, they dabble in pharmaceuticals, making best guesses with brain chemistry. As the brain is still largely a mystery and everybody's brain is different, drug therapy involves a lot of trial and error, attempting to find drugs and dosages that best suit people's needs.

This is my main qualm about seeing one.  I don't think I need one, but they are mostly a revolving door of medicine.  If there's one thing my body doesn't need it's more medication.  I currently already take 7 pills in the morning including my multivitamin, 1 pill in the early evening, and 3 pills at bed time, plus my "as-needed" meds like my migraine pill and OTC's.  In about 3 weeks, I will be losing one pill in the morning and at bed time, but still I'm already being pumped full of drugs as it is.  My liver doesn't need any more meds.  If I see anybody, it would be a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.  I went to a psychologist in the 5th-7th grades when I was going through a very rough time in school and with my Tourette's.  It really helped.  If I could find a job that provided good benefits, I would see if I can see a psychologist. I just don't trust psychiatrists.

Would you consider seeing a licensed professional counselor? They generally have a master's in psychology or clinical psychology and a counseling license, in lieu of a PhD. Insurance doesn't cover them but most decent sized cities have counseling practices that use a sliding scale fee schedule based on patients' ability to pay.

I'd probably stick with psychologists.

[Eraserhead]

Sounds like Jeff is finally leaving the door open to seeing a psychologist in the future. That is a very good thing.

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