Sweden election results thread (Sept 14, 2014)

[politicus]

What an idiot. SAP deserves to die at this point.

Well, to be fair to SAP (which is not something I'm not very fond of being) the centre-left is 16 seats short of a majority, so it's not as if they have very much of a choice at this point.  

That's the pragmatic and careful approach - and Löfven is a very pragmatic and careful man, but there is the alternative of promoting your own policy and letting the opposition shoot it down, giving them the responsibility for a political stalemare and then taking things to the voters.
Also, in this scenario SD would be forced to either back the governments socioeconomic policies or be identified as economic right wingers, which would harm them.

So its not as if SAP had no choice, they just chose the way all SocDems in Europe seem to choose these days.

I may be biased by having the Danish experience in my mind, where our SocDems clearly messed up by going down the path of accommodation and "bourgeoisation" (probably not a word in English.. ), but I think SAP made the wrong call on this one. Sometimes its better to fight than to be pragmatic - still I know Swedish voters love pragmatism, so maybe it will work in Sweden.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's no point in winning elections if you don't try to form a government afterwards. Particularly when failing to do so could result in a political crisis that you'd be blamed for.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

What an idiot. SAP deserves to die at this point.

Well, to be fair to SAP (which is not something I'm not very fond of being) the centre-left is 16 seats short of a majority, so it's not as if they have very much of a choice at this point.   

That's the pragmatic and careful approach - and Löfven is a very pragmatic and careful man, but there is the alternative of promoting your own policy and letting the opposition shoot it down, giving them the responsibility for a political stalemare and then taking things to the voters.
Also, in this scenario SD would be forced to either back the governments socioeconomic policies or be identified as economic right wingers, which would harm them.

I don't really think that strategy would work in Sweden, mostly because in difference to Denmark, the Prime Minister is not in control of early elections. He/She can't just jump on the first carriage to the palace and ask the monarch to dissolve parliament when it feels right. Early elections only happen if the government fail to pass their budget, or the Prime Minister is defeated in a Vote of No Confidence, and the Speaker fails to nominate a new Prime Minister.

The opposition is obviously not going to oust a Social Democratic PM if it looks as if the government would gain by it, and it would look too opportunistic if the centre-left ousted themselves by passing a Vote of No Confidence against their own Prime Minister.

So the tactic would require 4 years of stalemate and might not even pay of in the end, as the centre-right is obviously going to try the blame game right back at them. And as you note, Swedish voters tend to like pragmatism (at least in theory, if not so much in practice).

There's no point in winning elections if you don't try to form a government afterwards. Particularly when failing to do so could result in a political crisis that you'd be blamed for.

   

Also this!

[politicus]

There's no point in winning elections if you don't try to form a government afterwards. Particularly when failing to do so could result in a political crisis that you'd be blamed for.

Of course they should form a government, but that wouldn't have precluded sticking with their own platform. Sweden has negative parliamentarism, so the opposition would have had to actively block a centre-left government, which they wouldn't have done (since they couldn't form a government themselves). If the old Alliance parties actually had done so, they would have been seen as obstructionist and blamed for the crisis.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

SKÅNE
(S+V+MP) vs. (M+C+FP+KD)

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[The Lord Marbury]

The Riksdag is meeting for the first time since the election today in order to elect the new Speaker and three deputy speakers. Urban Ahlin, the Social Democrat's foreign policy spokesman and vice chair of the foreign affairs committee was elected to replace the departing Moderate Per Westerberg. It's funny because Ahlin was not speculated to be a likely candidate in the press, with the prime candidates considered to be Susanne Eberstein (1st deputy speaker, 2010-2014) and Björn von Sydow (Speaker, 2002-2006). Ahlin was probably given the job partly as a consolation prize because he won't become Foreign Minister (that honor will likely go the far more well known and popular Margot Wallström), although he certainly is one of the Social Democrat's most experienced parliamentarians.

The Left also caused a bit of a fuzz by requesting a secret ballot for the appointment of the 2nd deputy speaker which according to praxis will go to the Sweden Democrats as the third biggest party. This, according to them, in order to allow for MPs from other parties to vote blank instead of SDs candidate Björn Söder being confirmed by a simple voice vote. This however means that the vote is conducted three times in a row because a candidate is required to garner the support of a majority of MPs for the first two votes. In the second vote most of the Riksdag voted blank, while Björn Söder got the support of all of SDs group and 7 MPs from other parties. The finally tally will probably look something like that as well.

[The Lord Marbury]

Söder (SD) is now officially elected as 2nd deputy speaker. The finally tally was 292 blank votes, 52 for Söder.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Results in Stockhom city.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

[politicus]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

[Hash]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

Interesting to see S losing to V. Was this trend replicated in other immigrant-heavy SAP strongholds in Malmö and/or Sweden as a whole?

[MaxQue]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

Interesting to see S losing to V. Was this trend replicated in other immigrant-heavy SAP strongholds in Malmö and/or Sweden as a whole?

Given than FI won that precinct, I doubt it's immigrant-heavy.

[Hash]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

Interesting to see S losing to V. Was this trend replicated in other immigrant-heavy SAP strongholds in Malmö and/or Sweden as a whole?

Given than FI won that precinct, I doubt it's immigrant-heavy.

I was talking of the second precinct which he referenced, which is in Rosengard.

[politicus]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

That's an SAP voting immigrant area, what is the other one with 50,3% for V + FI?  Students or some alternative lifestyle types?

[MaxQue]

Hilariously, FI nearly won a precinct in Södermalm (17.7% in Högalid 8 Bergsund N: Social Democrats just pipped them with 18.3%).

They did win this precinct in Malmö.

83%+ for the left/centre-left is impressive. Is that the most leftist precinct in Sweden?

No, that would probably be this one, in another part of Malmö.

Interesting to see S losing to V. Was this trend replicated in other immigrant-heavy SAP strongholds in Malmö and/or Sweden as a whole?

Given than FI won that precinct, I doubt it's immigrant-heavy.

I was talking of the second precinct which he referenced, which is in Rosengard.

But, even there, that is not happening. S won easily. Sure, S lost 9% and V gained 7%, but in raw votes, that's +60 votes and +65 votes (with +153 voters).

Perhaps it means than V is doing very new with the new immigrants, but results of just one precincts are not enough to say that. It might be V being well-organised there, some local effect due to a candidate, some localised influx of non-immigrants somewhere in the precinct...

[The Lord Marbury]

Söder (SD) is now officially elected as 2nd deputy speaker. The finally tally was 292 blank votes, 52 for Söder.

Why they just did not voted for somebody else? This sounds stupid.

Because established praxis is that the third biggest party gets the post of 2nd deputy speaker. All parties besides the Left had announced that they would stick to that and there were no other candidates nominated for the position so the only options were voting for Söder or voting blank. Understandably most MPs from other parties felt uncomfortable voting for a Sweden Democrat so they voted blank.

[Gustaf]

Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness.

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far.

[Linus Van Pelt]

Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness.

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far.

The Greens were opposed to pensions? Why? What does this mean?

[The Lord Marbury]

Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness.

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far.

The Greens were opposed to pensions? Why? What does this mean?

They were opposed to the pensions agreement struck between the Social Democrats and centre-right parties in 1994 during the early 90s economic crisis.

[Linus Van Pelt]

Amusingly, the new speaker is the guy who said his party had SD's immigration policy way before they did, the deputy speaker is the migration minister who said some weird stuff about blonde and blue eyed people and the 2nd deputy is, well, Björn Söder. Not the best trio to underscore Sweden's tolerance and openness.

Also, the Greens are giving up their opposition to armed forces and pensions. The SAP is dropping their opposition to labour migration. I'm pretty happy so far.

The Greens were opposed to pensions? Why? What does this mean?

They were opposed to the pensions agreement struck between the Social Democrats and centre-right parties in 1994 during the early 90s economic crisis.

OK, thanks.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

That's an SAP voting immigrant area, what is the other one with 50,3% for V + FI?  Students or some alternative lifestyle types?

Students and hipsters.

Interesting to see S losing to V. Was this trend replicated in other immigrant-heavy SAP strongholds in Malmö and/or Sweden as a whole?

As far as I can tell from looking at a few precincts, it does seen to be somewhat of a national trend. V has been campaigning offensivly in those areas as well, so it's not too surprising.

Söder (SD) is now officially elected as 2nd deputy speaker. The finally tally was 292 blank votes, 52 for Söder.

Why they just did not voted for somebody else? This sounds stupid.

It was, but most of the parties didn't want to break 100-year-old precedent, but still felt the need for  an unnecessary silly protest against SD, you know just so that people doesn't somehow get the idea that they like SD just because they don't want to break precedent.

[politicus]

That's an SAP voting immigrant area, what is the other one with 50,3% for V + FI?  Students or some alternative lifestyle types?

Students and hipsters.

Somehow I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of Malmö hipsters .

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

That's an SAP voting immigrant area, what is the other one with 50,3% for V + FI?  Students or some alternative lifestyle types?

Students and hipsters.

Somehow I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of Malmö hipsters .

Malmö together with Södermalm, is actually the hipster capital of Sweden. (It actually has the nickname Little Berlin, for this very reason) Although the city is most known (especially in Denmark I might imagine) by its infamous immigrant areas, it also has really well-off upper-crust suburbs, and old town inner-city areas, as well as a heap of hipster neighborhoods, most notoriously Möllevången, but most off the south inner city as well as Kirseberg would fit the description.