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« Reply #175 on: September 18, 2014, 08:22:48 PM »

Catalunya's referendum depends of Madrid accepting the referendum only. Scotland should have little influence if Madrid sticks by territorial integrity.
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« Reply #176 on: September 18, 2014, 08:24:00 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?
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« Reply #177 on: September 18, 2014, 08:25:13 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?
They'd have to reapply for admission. No clue about Currency.
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« Reply #178 on: September 18, 2014, 08:26:08 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

They would almost certainly have to reapply as an independent nation, which would take a couple years, but nothing crazy (as long as they don't completely flunk the transition to independence).

But no, no nation is "forced" to adopt the Euro.
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« Reply #179 on: September 18, 2014, 08:30:15 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

They'd have to reapply as there's no succession of States under international law - Scotland would be a whole new State.

They'd be forced to adopt the Euro once their economy reached inflation and public debt standards established by the EU, unless they negotiate a separate agreement with Brussels, like the UK and Denmark did.
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« Reply #180 on: September 18, 2014, 08:31:27 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

The more important question regards the opt-out that UK negotiated.  My guess is that it does not, although that has to be decided by lawyers in Bussels, and they're at least as litigious as those in Washington.  I think it could easy join as a new state (assuming that it would want to do so), although it would clearly have to apply, but whether it could join upon the condition of keeping its own new-and-improved Bank of Scotland currency--presumably invented upon its secession--is the main question.

Hey, maybe bitcoin could be the new Scots currency.  Cheesy
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« Reply #181 on: September 18, 2014, 08:31:35 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2014, 08:33:27 PM by Mynheer Peeperkorn »

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Neither do I.

Especially with CiU corruption scandals.
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« Reply #182 on: September 18, 2014, 08:33:12 PM »

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.
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« Reply #183 on: September 18, 2014, 08:33:17 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

They would have to be readmitted (or simply admitted, depending on how you look at it), but it could happen somewhat quickly.  Salmond hoped it would be done in 18 months, but Mariano Rajoy (Prime Minister of Spain) has said it'd be longer... then again, he has a stake in not making a secessionist country's entry into the EU look easy.  As for adopting the Euro, that has been unclear, with some Yes advocates not wanting to join the Eurozone.  There was also support among the Scottish government that if Yes succeeds, Scotland would stay out of the Schengen Area and join the CTA.
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« Reply #184 on: September 18, 2014, 08:35:16 PM »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?
They'd have to reapply for admission. No clue about Currency.

All countries that join the Eurozone are required to adopt the Euro at some point.  But there are ways out if they don't want to (see Sweden).
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« Reply #185 on: September 18, 2014, 08:35:48 PM »

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.

Cameron has promised to give more power to the Scottish Parliament.  If England is not going to vote on some Scottish issues, it only makes sense to not have Scotland voting on similar issues regarding England (or Wales).
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« Reply #186 on: September 18, 2014, 08:37:08 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2014, 08:39:06 PM by politicus »

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

They would almost certainly have to reapply as an independent nation, which would take a couple years, but nothing crazy (as long as they don't completely flunk the transition to independence).

But no, no nation is "forced" to adopt the Euro.

Sort of. If you wanna join the EU and meet the necessary requirements for membership of the EMU you have to join it. Of the existing EU-members UK and Denmark have exceptions and Sweden artificially make sure they don't meet all the requirements, Scotland could do the same, but it would be frowned upon.
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« Reply #187 on: September 18, 2014, 08:37:53 PM »

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.

haha.  Because they're politicians, of course.  What would you do if you were president Lincoln and the legislatures of SC and 12 other states just narrowly decided that they wanted to remain part of the US?  Unfortunately for the US--but perhaps fortunately for the 12 million or so negro servants in the US at the time--the legislatures of SC and those 12 other states did not narrowly decide that they wanted to remain, but if they did then you'd probably try to figure out what pissed them off in the first place.

If a part of your household is irked enough by you to make a scene in public about it, but not so enraged at you that it packs its collective bags and divorces you outright, you'd be smart to make amends, right?
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« Reply #188 on: September 18, 2014, 08:38:37 PM »

Wow this count is slow....
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« Reply #189 on: September 18, 2014, 08:41:49 PM »


It's ridiculously slow if you take into account Scotland's tiny population.
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« Reply #190 on: September 18, 2014, 08:41:58 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2014, 08:43:50 PM by eric82oslo »

Shetland:

0.5% of overall electorate

Total votes: 15,635

Yes: 5,669 (36%) - slightly stronger numbers than in Orkney
No: 9,951 (64%)

Turnout: 84.4%

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« Reply #191 on: September 18, 2014, 08:42:51 PM »


yeah man, I thought we'd "know" by early evening EST.  then again, we more or less already know.
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« Reply #192 on: September 18, 2014, 08:43:54 PM »

Shetland:

Total: 15,635

Yes: 5,669 (36%)
No: 9,951 (64%)

Turnout: 84.4%



Where are you getting the figures from? I have the Daily Mail's website open, and Shetland's not on there yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761704/SCOTLAND-REFERENDUM-RESULTS-LIVE-Follow-results-historic-vote-announced-interactive-map.html
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« Reply #193 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:01 PM »

Overall:

No: 59.17%
Yes: 40.83%

This is what I'm looking at: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

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« Reply #194 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:13 PM »

Do I have to explain this again? Votes are not counted at polling district (i.e. precinct) level, but at local counting centres. This means that it takes longer to count, but you get final results earlier.
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« Reply #195 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:26 PM »

Shetland:

Total: 15,635

Yes: 5,669 (36%)
No: 9,951 (64%)

Turnout: 84.4%



Where are you getting the figures from? I have the Daily Mail's website open, and Shetland's not on there yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761704/SCOTLAND-REFERENDUM-RESULTS-LIVE-Follow-results-historic-vote-announced-interactive-map.html

It was just on BBC Scotland, at the very least.
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« Reply #196 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:34 PM »

"Yes" supporters in Glasgow:
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« Reply #197 on: September 18, 2014, 08:45:23 PM »

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.

haha.  Because they're politicians, of course.  What would you do if you were president Lincoln and the legislatures of SC and 12 other states just narrowly decided that they wanted to remain part of the US?  Unfortunately for the US--but perhaps fortunately for the 12 million or so negro servants in the US at the time--the legislatures of SC and those 12 other states did not narrowly decide that they wanted to remain, but if they did then you'd probably try to figure out what pissed them off in the first place.

If a part of your household is irked enough by you to make a scene in public about it, but not so enraged at you that it packs its collective bags and divorces you outright, you'd be smart to make amends, right?

Sure, I understand that. But if the No vote is rather decisive, as in +5% or so, I don't really see the need to make reforms as extensive as they're making it sound. Perhaps they're just dramatizing in their tweets and statements and press releases. But it just seems like the Conservatives and the No camp in general have betrayed a shocking lack of confidence or belief in the United Kingdom as it is. Their last-minute desperation offer of "devo-max" to Scotland was truly pathetic, and it's not so clear to me that it helped their cause much at all.
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« Reply #198 on: September 18, 2014, 08:45:42 PM »


yeah man, I thought we'd "know" by early evening EST.  then again, we more or less already know.

EDT.  It ain't the autumnal equinox yet.  Not that I'm a big fan of daylight savings time--Oh, don't get me started on that!--but at least let me ease into the whole clock-changing thing when I turn the page on the calendar and have a few weeks to prepare for it.
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« Reply #199 on: September 18, 2014, 08:45:57 PM »

Shetland:

Total: 15,635

Yes: 5,669 (36%)
No: 9,951 (64%)

Turnout: 84.4%



Where are you getting the figures from? I have the Daily Mail's website open, and Shetland's not on there yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761704/SCOTLAND-REFERENDUM-RESULTS-LIVE-Follow-results-historic-vote-announced-interactive-map.html

Use BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results
The Guardian is good as well: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2014/sep/18/-sp-scottish-independence-referendum-results-in-full
The Guardian's live blog is really good as well: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/18/scottish-referendum-results-live-coverage-of-the-independence-vote
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