Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014)

[Beezer]

Maybe not full devo-max (however you define it) but they're going to have to deliver something substantial. They made the promise, wisely or no. And already the SNP and Yes vote talking heads are regurgitating talking points left and right about how this result is "a mandate for change", "a call for no more politics as usual", "a No vote doesn't mean no change" etc etc etc. They lost rather decisively, and yet to hear them talk, they sorta won.

Well, a month ago Salmond would have sold his grandma for 45% of the vote. Of course in light of the recent polls it looks like a decisive "no" vote.

[Beezer]

Highland @53-47 no.

[Beezer]

It's in fact a big victory for the Yes. They never planned or wished winning, the whole purpose was to put pressure on London to get Devo-Max. They reached that goal.

That's quite some spin.

Salmond initially wanted Devo Max on the ballot. Westminster said no, thinking that a vote on independence would be a walk in the park. Then they had to hurriedly promise all sorts of powers to Holyrood, essentially snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If the SNP continues to govern, it'll do so with more powers while still being in a position to blame Westminster for any and all ills.