Scottish independence referendum results thread (Sept 18, 2014)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Just for the sake of argument, if Yes did win, would Scotland remain part of the EU? Would they have to apply and wait years for admission? Would they be forced to adopt the Euro?

They would have to be readmitted (or simply admitted, depending on how you look at it), but it could happen somewhat quickly.  Salmond hoped it would be done in 18 months, but Mariano Rajoy (Prime Minister of Spain) has said it'd be longer... then again, he has a stake in not making a secessionist country's entry into the EU look easy.  As for adopting the Euro, that has been unclear, with some Yes advocates not wanting to join the Eurozone.  There was also support among the Scottish government that if Yes succeeds, Scotland would stay out of the Schengen Area and join the CTA.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.

Cameron has promised to give more power to the Scottish Parliament.  If England is not going to vote on some Scottish issues, it only makes sense to not have Scotland voting on similar issues regarding England (or Wales).

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Shetland:

Total: 15,635

Yes: 5,669 (36%)
No: 9,951 (64%)

Turnout: 84.4%

Where are you getting the figures from? I have the Daily Mail's website open, and Shetland's not on there yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2761704/SCOTLAND-REFERENDUM-RESULTS-LIVE-Follow-results-historic-vote-announced-interactive-map.html

Use BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results
The Guardian is good as well: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2014/sep/18/-sp-scottish-independence-referendum-results-in-full
The Guardian's live blog is really good as well: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/18/scottish-referendum-results-live-coverage-of-the-independence-vote

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can someone explain why all these British politicians are now insisting variously that things need to change ASAP and fast reform is necessary and the Act of Union should be renegotiated and more powers should be devolved to England and Wales etc etc?? Especially given the fact that it looks like No will win handily.

haha.  Because they're politicians, of course.  What would you do if you were president Lincoln and the legislatures of SC and 12 other states just narrowly decided that they wanted to remain part of the US?  Unfortunately for the US--but perhaps fortunately for the 12 million or so negro servants in the US at the time--the legislatures of SC and those 12 other states did not narrowly decide that they wanted to remain, but if they did then you'd probably try to figure out what pissed them off in the first place.

If a part of your household is irked enough by you to make a scene in public about it, but not so enraged at you that it packs its collective bags and divorces you outright, you'd be smart to make amends, right?

Sure, I understand that. But if the No vote is rather decisive, as in +5% or so, I don't really see the need to make reforms as extensive as they're making it sound. Perhaps they're just dramatizing in their tweets and statements and press releases. But it just seems like the Conservatives and the No camp in general have betrayed a shocking lack of confidence or belief in the United Kingdom as it is. Their last-minute desperation offer of "devo-max" to Scotland was truly pathetic, and it's not so clear to me that it helped their cause much at all.

Did you read my post?  The plans they want to make now are a necessity because of devolving more to Scotland, which they have to do because it's been promised.  If they renege on that promise, it'd be a disaster for the Tories, Labour, and Lib Dems, and we'd have another referendum very soon.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Eilean Siar is about to declare.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It's over.

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Actually, the U.S. would probably honor PR's vote if they voted for statehood (in a manner that did so straightforwardly, as opposed to the 2012 referendum); I doubt PR will ever vote for independence.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Inverclyde:

27,243 yes
27,329 no

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

What were the expectations for Inverclyde?

538 says it was -3 SNP... so, not so bad for Yes, actually.

Yes had thought they'd win it though (albeit not by a huge margin).

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Just 2.3% has been reported, so "Yes" would need 50.2% of the remaining vote to turn this around, according to Alberto Nardelli of The Guardian

That was before Inverclyde.  And to turn it around, Yes would have to start winning in unexpected places, something they haven't done all night; in fact, the opposite has been true.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Nothing is certain, other than that the 'yes' campaign has already won relative to expectations. Anything over 45% and the 'no' will have a soulless victory, and certainly not a commanding voice for the status quo.

What does this even mean? I've never understood the obsession people put into a few random points up and down the margin. It always comes off as silly and immature (Antonio's whining when Hollande prevailed by a closer margin coming to mind).

No could prevail at a 5% margin or a 15% margin, and the outcome is exactly the same. At the end of the day, the win is all that matters.

Agreed.  At this point, the fact that it was expected to be close is enough to make the referendum have a lasting impact.  The result could be 49% - 51% or 35% - 65%, and I don't see anything different happening tomorrow other than Salmond's career ending quicker and the No camp feeling foolish for worrying.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Dundee and Renfrewshire coming in now

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Dundee City:
78.8% turnout
Yes - 53,620
No - 39,880

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

So are these good signs for a "No" outcome or not?

Both are very closely in line with the local election results.

Dundee went stronger for Yes than expected in the polls.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

West Dunbartonshire:
Turnout 87.9%
Yes - 33,720
No - 28,776

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Midlothian:
60,395 total
Turnout - 86.8%
Yes - 26,370
No - 33,972

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

East Lothian:
71,798 total
Turnout - 87.6%
Yes - 27,467
No - 44,283

Wow.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Sterling:
62,225 total
Turnout - 90.1%
Yes - 25,010
No - 37,153

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

East Lothian is no

60% as they thought or smaller?

EDIT: okay, roughly as predicted.

It was a bit higher than expected.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Falkirk:
108,626 Total
Turnout - 88.7%
Yes - 50,489
No - 58,030

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The Falkirk results are definitely good for the No camp; Falkirk was expected to go for Yes.

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Angus:
80,302 total
Turnout - 85.7%
Yes - 35,044
No - 45,192

Another council that had expected to go for yes

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Dumfries and Galloway
106,775 total
Turnout - 87.5%
Yes - 36,614
No - 70,039

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East Renfrewshire
66,021 total
Turnout - 90.4%
Yes - 24,287
No - 41,690

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East Dunbartonshire:
79,011 total
turnout - 91%
Yes - 30,624
No - 48,3??