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« on: September 18, 2014, 05:10:47 PM »

Law enforcement expert they spoke to said if the feds don't have anything yet, they probably don't have anything. “My experience with federal law enforcement is that once you reach critical mass if you don’t have it within nine months or so you’re not likely to ever get it,”  former federal prosecutor Robert W. Ray said."
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 05:13:44 PM »

Yeah, and they won't find anything.  This forum, and Democrats in general, have made a mountain out of a molehill with "Bridgegate."
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 05:16:22 PM »

Bridgegate is far less significant than his shockingly high number of credit downgrades as Governor or New Jersey's unemployment rate. No matter how hawkish or tough on crime he can get, those numbers will be the death of his candidacy.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2014, 06:52:35 PM »

Bridgegate is far less significant than his shockingly high number of credit downgrades as Governor or New Jersey's unemployment rate. No matter how hawkish or tough on crime he can get, those numbers will be the death of his candidacy.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 03:29:52 PM »

Well, the damage is already done, so it's not like this really helps Christie at all. Too bad for him.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2014, 03:33:03 PM »

Well, the damage is already done, so it's not like this really helps Christie at all. Too bad for him.
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2014, 03:34:08 PM »

Rachel Maddow isn't going to like this
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2014, 04:05:56 PM »

IMO, Christie's chances have been written off too early. He's still deeply flawed as a candidate, but I think there's still a path to the nomination for him. Especially if this report holds up in the long run.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2014, 04:15:56 PM »

Too bad his candidacy isn't as dead as former Gov. Rowland R-CT.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2014, 09:42:18 PM »

Weigel actually thinks Bridgeghazi is a net plus for Christie's chances at the nomination:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/09/19/chris_christie_better_than_ever.html

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2014, 09:55:16 PM »

Weigel actually thinks Bridgeghazi is a net plus for Christie's chances at the nomination:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/09/19/chris_christie_better_than_ever.html

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Sounds like BS to me. Christie consistently led in the GOP primary polls post-re election but pre-bridgegate, he also performed far better than any other Republican against Hillary in this timeframe. At this point, his numbers both in the primary and the general election have been unremarkable. Regardless of whether or not Bridgegate has lasting consequences (and despite the media's rumor mill, this has yet to be confirmed), the fact that it happened at all was a huge blow to Christie's momentum coming off his landslide win.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2014, 10:20:17 PM »

Bridgegate is far less significant than his shockingly high number of credit downgrades as Governor or New Jersey's unemployment rate.No matter how hawkish or tough on crime he can get, those numbers will be the death of his candidacy.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2014, 11:09:28 PM »

Weigel actually thinks Bridgeghazi is a net plus for Christie's chances at the nomination:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/09/19/chris_christie_better_than_ever.html

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Sounds like BS to me. Christie consistently led in the GOP primary polls post-re election but pre-bridgegate, he also performed far better than any other Republican against Hillary in this timeframe. At this point, his numbers both in the primary and the general election have been unremarkable. Regardless of whether or not Bridgegate has lasting consequences (and despite the media's rumor mill, this has yet to be confirmed), the fact that it happened at all was a huge blow to Christie's momentum coming off his landslide win.

Regarding the primary polling….I just don't think it means much of anything at this early stage.  Ordinary voters aren't really engaged, and a few recent positive or negative news cycles for a candidate can shift the numbers up and down, without it having any lasting effects.

What matters far more is support among party elites (broadly defined).  On that score, I think Bridgeghazi hurt Christie with a certain class of elites, but I kind of agree with Weigel that it may also have *gained* him some support among a different set of elites (the latter being ideologically more to the right than the former group).  Whether that actually turns into a net plus in the end is unclear.

Either way, I would not fixate too much on current polls.  You have to project forward a year or more and predict how this stuff will play when it's more in the rearview mirror.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2014, 11:29:14 PM »

On the bright side for Christie, Republicans have a huge victim complex.  They feel a kinship with Christie as he's under attack.  On top of that, they just like opposing the media consensus.  If the mainstream media talks up a candidate, the right immediately gets suspicious.  So, Christie's fall from grace has allowed the right to forget their anti-Christie vendetta.  Or, at least, Christie is out of the crosshairs of the right wing for the moment.

On the other hand, Christie was involved in the Bridge closing, whether he knew about it or not.  We hold politicians responsible for the actions of their administration, particularly actions by high level staff.  This is also not the last shoe to drop.  There is the other Bridge scandal as well, the one over the alleged securities fraud by the Christie administration and their convoluted plot to divert money to Pulaski skyway repairs.  Plus, we know that Christie is a New Jersey politician.  If history is any guide, there's some corruption or misconduct out there somewhere.  Once you have these multiple investigations snooping around, sometimes they find something, even if it wasn't what they first intended.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2014, 07:30:31 AM »

Well, the damage is already done, so it's not like this really helps Christie at all. Too bad for him.
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