Religion

[migrendel]

I'm aware of the variation of looks amongst your people. After all, I've seen pictures of certain members of your royal family.

[Gustaf]

Now, who are you referring to? Actually, I thought most of our royal family looked pretty good (they beat your presidential family, I am sure! )

[12th Doctor]

Hey, Jenna and Barbra are pretty good looking.

[Gustaf]

Well, in all fairness, we have had the same royal family for decades. I could pick any preidential family from the last 30 years and compare if I want. Which one looked worse?

[migrendel]

I'll admit that our Presidential family is pretty bad looking. And speaking in comparison to the royal families of Great Britain (excepting Prince William) and the Netherlands (excepting Willem Alexander), your royal family isn't that bad looking. Queen Silvia was quite attractive in her day.

[jravnsbo]

Hm, just so you don't get disappointed if you come here, Scandinavia is not a paradise, exclusively populated by beatiful people...

I don't want my country to become a Thailand!

Don't get the Thailand comment, please explain.

Been to Denmark only and a lot of continental Europe and England.  Very interesting place with lots of beautful women.

[Gustaf]

Don't get the Thailand comment, please explain.

Been to Denmark only and a lot of continental Europe and England.  Very interesting place with lots of beautful women.

Thailand is a country where people go to have sex. I thought that was well-known. I don't think our princesses look that bad? But Migrendel was perhaps talking about the male members, and I will not pas judgement on them

I have never seen pictures of the Bush family, anyone has a quick link, and I will determine whether they win. But as I say above, I bet you have had a number of ugly presidential families in the past, and they all count!

Btw, isn't it a little funny that a discussion about religion turned into this? I bet Osama and his boys would take this a clear sign of the decadense of the west!

[Sibboleth]

Actually Bin Laden has a string of mistressess and likes prositutes.

Back to Relgion...
Opinions on the Marprelate Tracts?

[Gustaf]

Actually Bin Laden has a string of mistressess and likes prositutes.

Back to Relgion...
Opinions on the Marprelate Tracts?

Well, yeah, he does. But check out my Oscar Wilde quote in my signature...

I am not familiar with the Marprelate Tracts, to be honest.

[© Tweed the Younger]

Actually Bin Laden has a string of mistressess and likes prositutes.

Back to Relgion...
Opinions on the Marprelate Tracts?

Well, yeah, he does. But check out my Oscar Wilde quote in my signature...

I am not familiar with the Marprelate Tracts, to be honest.

Isn't he on dialysis?

[CHRISTOPHER MICHAE]

Actually Bin Laden has a string of mistressess and likes prositutes.

Back to Relgion...
Opinions on the Marprelate Tracts?

Well, I too don't know what those Tracts are that you're referring to. But as for OBL having a string of Mistresses and liking prostitutes, that's no different than some of America's Corporate Chief Executive Officers.

[© Tweed the Younger]

HAHA...

[CHRISTOPHER MICHAE]

It's TRUE

[© Tweed the Younger]

It probably is.

[Sibboleth]

The Marprelate Tracts were a series of C15th Puritan pamphlets denouncing bishops etc

Do you think that Bin Laden worked at Enron?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Personally I find organised religion to be riddled with contradictions and hypocrisy.

And the point is....what?

I'm sure you can find contradictions and hypocrisy in the workplace also, but I bet that doesn't stop you from going to work.  So, why should hypocrisy keep you from going to church?

Isn't it hypocritical to go to work with hypocrits yet refuse to go to church with hypocrits?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Christopher Michael <<And nor do you need proof. The Definition of Faith is: "Believing without Experiencing with the senses.">>

Im not so sure that definition will pass a scriptural test.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

While I used to be an atheist, I find agnosticism more philosophically sound at present.

Doesn't agnosticism state that "truth is unknowable"...or is it "there is no truth"?

Either way, that idea seems self-contradictory...If a person believes there is no truth, how can they believe that the statement "there is no truth" is true?

Or, if the person believes truth is unknowable, then it is not knowable whether the statement "truth is unknowable" is true or not.

Basically, it seems to me that the agnostic is really admitting that the only thing he/she knows is nothing!

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

And as I said your choice.  But what happens someday if we ( believers) are right and you are wrong and are thrown into hell for not believing?

That's not a very Christian attitude is it?

Speaking bluntly is not contrary to Christ's attitude:

"How will you escape being condemned to hell?" (spoken by Jesus Christ, Mat 23:33)

"Whoever believes in me is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" (spoken by Jesus Christ, John 3:18)

[Gustaf]

I thought agnosticism just meant that you state you don't know that there is a God, but don't know there isn't either, as opposed to an atheist who know there isn't.

While I used to be an atheist, I find agnosticism more philosophically sound at present.

Doesn't agnosticism state that "truth is unknowable"...or is it "there is no truth"?

Either way, that idea seems self-contradictory...If a person believes there is no truth, how can they believe that the statement "there is no truth" is true?

Or, if the person believes truth is unknowable, then it is not knowable whether the statement "truth is unknowable" is true or not.

Basically, it seems to me that the agnostic is really admitting that the only thing he/she knows is nothing!

[Sibboleth]

Agnostic comes from the Greek word for knowledge.
Gnostic means "one with knowledge"(and was the name of an early loony cult)

"A" means without or signifies an opposite.

So A-Gnostic means "one without knowledge", ie; someone who is not sure.

[Gustaf]

Agnostic comes from the Greek word for knowledge.
Gnostic means "one with knowledge"(and was the name of an early loony cult)

"A" means without or signifies an opposite.

So A-Gnostic means "one without knowledge", ie; someone who is not sure.

Yes, I vaguely recall that story about the gnostics...

Thanks for clearing this up, btw!

[migrendel]

I think your hair-raisingly literal interpretation of agnosticism is unwarranted. I don't mean to thrust a solipsistic viewpoint into the fray, nor posit in favor of Hume's theory, even though I think it has its merits, but I will say that I meant agnosticism to mean the state in which one does not believe the evidence or contradiction of God's existence to be strong enough to say definitively in favor of either position. I hope this clears it up.

[Gustaf]

I think your hair-raisingly literal interpretation of agnosticism is unwarranted. I don't mean to thrust a solipsistic viewpoint into the fray, nor posit in favor of Hume's theory, even though I think it has its merits, but I will say that I meant agnosticism to mean the state in which one does not believe the evidence or contradiction of God's existence to be strong enough to say definitively in favor of either position. I hope this clears it up.

I don't know who you're directing your post at, but that was what I was saying, just for the record...

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Agnostic comes from the Greek word for knowledge.
Gnostic means "one with knowledge"(and was the name of an early loony cult)

"A" means without or signifies an opposite.

So A-Gnostic means "one without knowledge", ie; someone who is not sure.

compare that with my statement, "Basically, it seems to me that the agnostic is really admitting that the only thing he/she knows is nothing!"

....and it looks like you and I are on in agreement for once!!!