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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2014, 04:20:10 PM »

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

I was stunned as well.
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2014, 04:27:06 PM »

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

I was stunned as well.

Why? The thing about Bernie Sanders is that he's not a socialist in the truest sense of the word. He's basically a reformist social-democrat. For all his faults (from my perspective), its clear that Bernardo does not want to see society as it is presently constituted utterly destroyed, with capitalism overturned and organised religion crushed. Now, some of the true leftists (the genuine Communists amongst them) want exactly that to happen. Social democracy is a threat to their desire for revolution, given that it is highly attractive to many working class people, many of whom would far rather vote for social-democracy than take up arms against the 'parasites'.
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2014, 04:29:54 PM »

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

I was stunned as well.
I doubt all of the HP votes are coming from true leftists...
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2014, 04:31:12 PM »

FF

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

Right, it was the true leftists. Let me guess, it's true leftists who have Landon one vote from defeating FDR in the mock 1936 election poll? LOL.

FF, of course.
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2014, 04:57:53 PM »

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

I was stunned as well.

Why? The thing about Bernie Sanders is that he's not a socialist in the truest sense of the word. He's basically a reformist social-democrat. For all his faults (from my perspective), its clear that Bernardo does not want to see society as it is presently constituted utterly destroyed, with capitalism overturned and organised religion crushed. Now, some of the true leftists (the genuine Communists amongst them) want exactly that to happen. Social democracy is a threat to their desire for revolution, given that it is highly attractive to many working class people, many of whom would far rather vote for social-democracy than take up arms against the 'parasites'.

Yeah, I know that. But SWE and TNF (who presumably voted HP as well, judging from his posts earlier in the thread) were big supporters of Sanders' potential presidential run as recently as a month or so ago. I'm guessing the ISIS thing was what made them turn on him, but since he voted no, I was confused as to why. Or was it the video of him getting screamed at for his Israel comments?

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

I was stunned as well.
I doubt all of the HP votes are coming from true leftists...

No, but at least two have. It's the only thing that could explain the swing from him being ~75% FF in my recent poll series to the near even split now. True Leftists and moderate heroes are basically the only swing demographics on Atlas, since we already know how standard Democrats/Republicans/Greens/Libertarians etc. are going to vote on most things.
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2014, 05:09:24 PM »

FF

Also, I literally gasped when I saw the results. The True Leftists even hate Bernie now?! This thread is gonna be a good read...

Right, it was the true leftists. Let me guess, it's true leftists who have Landon one vote from defeating FDR in the mock 1936 election poll? LOL.

FF, of course.


Actually that doesn't make sense, since there was a socialist candidate in that election, but he only got 2 votes. They have literally no reason to vote for a republican candidate post-1880.
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2014, 06:21:41 PM »

Mild FF, but I don't know if he can win in 2016 or 2020.
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2014, 07:02:53 PM »

Wait, didn't Bernie just vote no on the recent legislation regarding ISIS? What has made the True Leftists turn on him?
He implied that America - oh, sorry, excuse me, it's now the United $nake$ of AmeriKKKa - was maybe possibly not literally Hitler, what else?

And TNF/SWE opposing Bernie bloody Sanders pretty much vindicates my leaving of True Leftism. They'd sooner vote for Ron "Hate Whitey Day" Paul over Bernie Sanders purely because the latter isn't noninterventionist enough.
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2014, 08:17:52 PM »

Massive FF (normal)
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2014, 08:31:26 PM »

FF...

And a message to progressives voting HP because of one thing... stop being such shrill little *****.
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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2014, 08:42:10 PM »

Absolutely disgusting seeing tr00leftists voting HP. Bernie is the biggest FF in Congress.
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2014, 09:39:09 PM »
« Edited: September 21, 2014, 12:35:00 AM by MalaspinaGold »

I can't believe I'm about to say this, and I can already feel the vomit entering my throat as I write this, but Cassius made one of the more insightful and accurate posts in this thread.

I'll just remind the laptop leftists here that what is in question here is not what are the United States's motives for bombing ISIS, etc. are, but what are Sanders's motives for doing such, else you devolve into circular reasoning: OMG HE VOTED FOR WAR BECAUSE HE'S AN IMPERIALIST!!! OMG HE'S AN IMPERIALIST BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR WAR!!! It is the intellectual equivalent of opposing a minimum wage increase because it OMG, KEEPS THE MASSES QUIET INSTEAD OF THIRSTING FOR DAH REVOLUTION!!!, and tarring anyone who voted for the minimum wage increase as an evil capitalist conspirator. On the other hand, this IS TNF we're talking about. Now that I think of it, democracy could well be considered the opiate of the masses, waiting for the inevitable  smorgasbord about that.

And this is a quote from a completely different conversation, but I think it deserves merit (on the Florange factory nationalization):

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Exactly! It's a goddamn symbol! And caring about symbols more than about actually finding solutions to actualy problems is exactly what's wrong with French politics. Those politicians actually think that a few symbols will magically solve everything. Whether it's True Leftist symbols or austerity symbols, nobody cares about carrying out actual policies. Because we know, making symbols is so cool! It's cheap and the people love it! Who needs to actually do stuff?
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Again, this whole idea that Bernie Sanders is an imperialist pig because he voted against a stupid symbol is pointless, because it's just an idiotic SYMBOL. It's pointless because we already new how he felt about the Iraq war, because he VOTED AGAINST IT. A) A vote to defund the military is pointless because there's no way it would succeed and it's better to spend political capital on other, non-idiotic symbol legislation. B) Even if it HAD succeeded, what good would defunding a branch of the government do? The only recent times it's happened were in 1995 and 2013, when the dunces in tin-foil hats tried to defund the government, and what good, political or legislative, did it do them? Do you think that Bush would have pulled the troops out, and surrender like that? Do you think the media wouldn't report on stories of soldiers who wouldn't have to fight without "adequate equipment". Is Sanders an imperialist for voting against the one sure way a rally-round-the -flag electorate would give Bush a supermajority in the senate, or even higher? On the other hand, I guess that might speed of DIE NEUE NOVEMBERREVOLUTION by twenty minutes or so.

I have to agree with Tony that I'd much rather listen to Rumsfeld talk foreign policy than TNF. Remember this is the guy who:

Calls Sanders an imperialist for supporting a US war because the US militarily supports governments in Israel and Saudi Arabia while at the same time:

Denouncing WWII because we had the temerity to cut off military trade with the genocidal, ACTUAL imperialist Japanese regime as a backdoor to war, yet at the same time:

Supporting the Civil War despite the fact that Fort Sumter is the textbook example of a back door to war; the South voted to actually peacefully secede, unlike the latest marxist chew toy, those royalist Scots; the union strategy was the first modern example of total war, epitomized by Sherman's march to the sea, which literally destroyed anything and everything in its path (let's remember that 75% of the south did not own slaves, and were thus not subject to TNF's "slaveowners must die" declaration). Also, let us not forget that Lincoln was an actual racist, that he propped up a bloody general like Grant, and that he never bothered to actually, you know, free the slaves. until the war was essentially over.

TL;DR: TNF and those like him have no grasp of foreign policy, politics, or history.

Also, based on recent responses it seems that only the treue leftists, epitomized by TNF and SWE, and possibly (probably?) Snowstalker when he comes on, actually believe any of this marxist drivel, which is the most heartening sign I've seen from this poll yet.

EDIT: just to make clear, I do think the civil war was justified (not an idiot). And if I may make a little prediction, my bet is that Kshama Sawant will be next on the chopping block because she had the audacity to denounce both Hamas and Israel. On the other hand, she may already have been guillotined for all I know.

The bright spot is that this new "movement" will be irrelevant, because it does not, nor will it have any sizable base, nor will it have any big money groups pumping money to maintain an astroturf coalition. So hopefully we can just let the Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, Maoists, and Hoxhaists continue their pointless internecine catfight, and thus remaining irrelevant to the rest of us.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2014, 10:34:22 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2014, 11:13:31 PM »

Tony, please proceed with the clapping man gif. We need it now more than ever!
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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2014, 12:26:05 AM »

I did not think it was possible to OD on Sage before clicking on this thread.
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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2014, 04:23:01 AM »

Tony, please proceed with the clapping man gif. We need it now more than ever!

Since when am I the official clapping-gif poster? Tongue I mean, I've used it a couple times, but others have too.

Also, I'd like to note that it's something like the third or fourth time that TNF doesn't respond to my rebuttal of his true leftist drivel.
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« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2014, 11:47:37 AM »

FF.
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« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2014, 12:13:42 PM »

Massive FF. He's definitely one of the best in the Senate.
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« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2014, 12:35:57 PM »

I love the idea that Bernie is a radical leftist. Do the Democratic hacks on this forum even understand dialectical materialism?
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« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2014, 12:59:29 PM »

I love the idea that Bernie is a radical leftist. Do the Democratic hacks on this forum even understand dialectical materialism?

Do you?
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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2014, 01:04:56 PM »

I love the idea that Bernie is a radical leftist. Do the Democratic hacks on this forum even understand dialectical materialism?

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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2014, 01:19:33 PM »

I love the idea that Bernie is a radical leftist. Do the Democratic hacks on this forum even understand dialectical materialism?
Did any non right-wingers actually call Bernie a radical leftist?
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2014, 01:59:31 PM »

I love the idea that Bernie is a radical leftist. Do the Democratic hacks on this forum even understand dialectical materialism?

Nobody ever said he was. But you were gung ho for him running for president like a month ago despite this fact...
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2014, 02:19:14 PM »

True Leftists are f[inks]ing insane. I rate them about on the level of teabaggers, and I'm glad that our fine president, with the backing of such FFs as Bernie Sanders, has dedicated his eight years in office to fighting both groups.
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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2014, 02:34:03 PM »

True Leftists are f[inks]ing insane. I rate them about on the level of teabaggers, and I'm glad that our fine president, with the backing of such FFs as Bernie Sanders, has dedicated his eight years in office to fighting both groups.

Actually, True Leftists would be a lot more useful if they were like teabaggers. Teabaggers succeed by working within the Republican Party and pushing them to the far right, both in terms of actual primaries and based on incumbents' fear of being primaried. On the other hand, True Leftists outright refuse to associate with the Democratic Party in any way, shape, or form, which only marginalizes them. This is a big part of the reason why the Tea Party was (relatively) successful while Occupy Wall Street was a complete dud. The former channeled their energy into realistic political action, the latter just died out without accomplishing a damn thing because of their opposition to working within the established political structure. In addition, continuing with the True Leftist fascination with counterproductivity and cutting off their nose to spite their face, obviously the Democrats aren't going to try to appeal to voters who are just going to write in a dead person the second they deviate from their rigid ideology on anything. Contrast with the Tea Party, which will always vote both in Republican primaries and straight ticket Republican in the general election. Obviously politicians will want to appeal to that group.
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