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« on: September 21, 2014, 07:18:10 PM »

Global Rise Reported in 2013 Greenhouse Gas Emissions

By JUSTIN GILLIS
SEPT. 21, 2014


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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 08:13:53 PM »

While I agree that we should be trying to cut greenhouse gasses/transferring to solar,wind,nuclear,geothermal,etc/using electric powered transportation, these people are not helping!


(and this should be the International forum)
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 09:38:00 PM »

(and this should be the International forum)

Agreed.  Climate change is one of those silly things that the rest of the world has and we don't ever need to worry about, like universal healthcare or the metric system.

Good job for moving this to the correct board, Ernest.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 09:57:55 PM »

(and this should be the International forum)

Agreed.  Climate change is one of those silly things that the rest of the world has and we don't ever need to worry about, like universal healthcare or the metric system.

Good job for moving this to the correct board, Ernest.

It was either this board or the non-existent Science board.  I suppose the fact we don't have a science board says all one needs to know about the importance of science in US politics.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 10:02:06 PM »

We don't have a military board either, that says all one needs to know about the importance of the military in US politics. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 10:13:28 PM »

We don't have a military board either, that says all one needs to know about the importance of the military in US politics. Wink
It's for your own good.  It would swallow you alive.

I have complex feelings about this given my skepticism that co2 warming will be harmful or catastrophic.  I'm more interested in how increased co2 will affect forests and plant growth.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 10:35:04 PM »

We don't have a military board either, that says all one needs to know about the importance of the military in US politics. Wink

Agreed.  If a true understanding of military affairs affected our politics, Dubya would have been a one term president.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2014, 12:04:51 AM »

Clearly a smiley isn't enough to let some people know a joke just happened.  It was a gentle ribbing.  Calm down.

Now for the standard "jokes are supposed to be funny" retort people that don't understand jokes always say Wink


(again, that's not supposed to be taken personally or seriously)
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2014, 12:40:36 AM »

Clearly a smiley is needed to let some people know a joke just happened.  It was a gentle ribbing.  Calm down.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2014, 01:04:28 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2014, 10:53:37 PM »

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2014, 11:38:50 AM »

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

This almost makes Global Warming a STEM issue than a political issue though money for research and lower fossil fuel subsidies are still needed.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2014, 11:58:58 AM »

Disturbing stuff. We are at the point where we need to actually need to reclaim atmospheric carbon (but in a less moronic way that iron fertilisation).

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

A broad trend, but not always true - they went up 2.9% last year as the article states.

Even if developing countries are producing more fossil fuels, that still shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing anything about the problem (which a disturbing amount of people I speak to seem to believe).
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2014, 07:22:03 PM »

Disturbing stuff. We are at the point where we need to actually need to reclaim atmospheric carbon (but in a less moronic way that iron fertilisation).

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

A broad trend, but not always true - they went up 2.9% last year as the article states.

Even if developing countries are producing more fossil fuels, that still shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing anything about the problem (which a disturbing amount of people I speak to seem to believe).

We could maybe make them adapt greener technologies by making it a condition of trade?
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2014, 07:34:40 PM »

Disturbing stuff. We are at the point where we need to actually need to reclaim atmospheric carbon (but in a less moronic way that iron fertilisation).

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

A broad trend, but not always true - they went up 2.9% last year as the article states.

Even if developing countries are producing more fossil fuels, that still shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing anything about the problem (which a disturbing amount of people I speak to seem to believe).

We could maybe make them adapt greener technologies by making it a condition of trade?
I doubt most (if not all) of them would consider a trade agreement with the US worth the costs of abandoning fossil fuels.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2014, 07:54:20 PM »

Disturbing stuff. We are at the point where we need to actually need to reclaim atmospheric carbon (but in a less moronic way that iron fertilisation).

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

A broad trend, but not always true - they went up 2.9% last year as the article states.

Even if developing countries are producing more fossil fuels, that still shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing anything about the problem (which a disturbing amount of people I speak to seem to believe).

We could maybe make them adapt greener technologies by making it a condition of trade?
I doubt most (if not all) of them would consider a trade agreement with the US worth the costs of abandoning fossil fuels.
abandoning? no, but changing in a good way?  Hells yeah we could.  Especially if Europe, the important S.America countries, Japan and the Commonwealth are all on board.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 12:08:24 AM »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2014, 12:01:11 PM »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost[.

Its a common and dangerous fallacy to assume so. Climate change will of course happen, but the amount of it is crucial. The higher the temperature rise the larger the amount of climate change. It is very important to keep the effects of climate change on a level we can manage, otherwise this will spin out of control. Plus there are some self inflating tendencies if the temperature rises above certain levels, if the permafrost start melting large reserves of CO2 will be released and the process accelerates.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2014, 05:29:39 PM »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost.

Speaking as the resident of a city who has had to spend billions fixing flood damage to houses and subways and such after Sandy, thanks a whole hell of a lot for the vote of confidence in our future.  Really appreciate it.

Disturbing stuff. We are at the point where we need to actually need to reclaim atmospheric carbon (but in a less moronic way that iron fertilisation).

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

A broad trend, but not always true - they went up 2.9% last year as the article states.

Even if developing countries are producing more fossil fuels, that still shouldn't be used as an excuse for not doing anything about the problem (which a disturbing amount of people I speak to seem to believe).

Ooo, careful, pointing that out is gonna get you labeled a racist by some folks.  If you want to stop global warming, clearly you hate poor brown people and are trying to keep them down with your hipster elitism. Roll Eyes

Never mind, of course, that in the USA, minorities are more concerned about global warming, even when you control for partisanship, and of course the countries that are gonna get hit the worst are also the poorest:



Never mind all that.  Obviously caring about the climate must just be a luxury for rich white people. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2014, 05:45:58 PM »

So what you're trying to tell me, Train, is that God prefers white people and is showing it (again) with Global Warming?
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2014, 06:15:30 PM »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost.

Speaking as the resident of a city who has had to spend billions fixing flood damage to houses and subways and such after Sandy, thanks a whole hell of a lot for the vote of confidence in our future.  Really appreciate it.
Why do you believe that Sandy was caused by climate change? Has there been any upward trend in hurricane activity in recent times?
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2014, 07:12:08 PM »
« Edited: September 24, 2014, 07:16:50 PM by traininthedistance »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost.

Speaking as the resident of a city who has had to spend billions fixing flood damage to houses and subways and such after Sandy, thanks a whole hell of a lot for the vote of confidence in our future.  Really appreciate it.
Why do you believe that Sandy was caused by climate change? Has there been any upward trend in hurricane activity in recent times?

Whether it was caused by climate change or not*, the destruction it wrought is but a preview of what we'll be in for regularly in a warming world of higher sea levels, more flooding, more storms, etc.  At a certain point, if you're on the coast you're gonna get inundated even in the absence of once-in-a-decade events.  And, yeah, there has been a marked increase in destructive storms, hurricane or otherwise- a lot of areas that were "500-year flood areas" re getting soaked once every couple years these days, which is a good indication what's up.

*Obviously you can't proximately pin any one storm on AGW- but if you pan back and take the proper statistical view, you can say that there will be more, and more harmful, storms. So yeah.  I'm not going to necessarily pin all of Sandy's destruction on global warming, but I can and will use it as a wake-up call.
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2014, 07:42:22 PM »
« Edited: September 25, 2014, 04:50:51 PM by Deus Naturae »

Honestly, at this point, all we can do is invest in our own infrastructure and help developing nations develop reasonable and balanced plans. Climate change is going to happen, it is already happening, and now we just need to deal with it. We need to fight the new battle, not pretend we're still fighting the old battle which we already lost.

Speaking as the resident of a city who has had to spend billions fixing flood damage to houses and subways and such after Sandy, thanks a whole hell of a lot for the vote of confidence in our future.  Really appreciate it.
Why do you believe that Sandy was caused by climate change? Has there been any upward trend in hurricane activity in recent times?

Whether it was caused by climate change or not*, the destruction it wrought is but a preview of what we'll be in for regularly in a warming world of higher sea levels, more flooding, more storms, etc.

*Obviously you can't proximately pin any one storm on AGW- but if you pan back and take the proper statistical view, you can say that there will be more, and more harmful, storms. So yeah.  I'm not going to necessarily pin all of Sandy's destruction on global warming, but I can and will use it as a wake-up call.
What do you mean "the proper statistical view?" If you go back and look at the statistical record, is there are a correlation between rising sea levels and increased hurricane activity (I'm genuinely asking; I don't know if there has been)? Sea levels have been on the rise for over a century, so I'm sure there's some data on this.
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2014, 08:07:28 PM »

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

We're still the worst nation per capita for our emissions. We really shouldn't place so much blame on the underdeveloped countries, because our current economic system makes it so much cheaper to use non renewable resources than to use renewable resources in their factories to produce cheap goods for highly developed countries such as the U.S., so the companies are forced to continue using non renewable energy in order to continue to profit.

The problem really lies in the developed countries exploiting the underdeveloped ones.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2014, 08:17:11 PM »

US emissions are at a low, and dropping, it's the developing nations that are reaching record highs.

We're still the worst nation per capita for our emissions. We really shouldn't place so much blame on the underdeveloped countries, because our current economic system makes it so much cheaper to use non renewable resources than to use renewable resources in their factories to produce cheap goods for highly developed countries such as the U.S., so the companies are forced to continue using non renewable energy in order to continue to profit.

The problem really lies in the developed countries exploiting the underdeveloped ones.
So...we're exploiting them by buying their products?
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