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AggregateDemand
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« on: September 22, 2014, 12:25:11 AM »

The world changed in the late 1970s. Democrats still don't get it.
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2014, 10:52:49 AM »
« Edited: September 22, 2014, 10:55:09 AM by AggregateDemand »


It changed because the anti-stagflation CRA and the Clinton-era housing stimulus collapsed global credit markets?

The world didn't change in 2008. The pendulum swung farther in the same direction as our silly demand-stimulus policies made us vulnerable to foreign labor and imported commodities. The economic crisis of 2008 made Republicans realize that their appeasement policies during the Bush administrations (HW & W) were not tenable, hence the Tea Party and Libertarian rebellions.

I don't think you understand what is going on.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2014, 12:13:27 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2014, 12:14:58 PM by AggregateDemand »

Only academic conservatives like yourself see it that way, just like academic liberals see the late 1970s as the product Nixon's monetary policy changes.  It's all purely academic.

The majority of regular average people in 2008 (you know, voters) saw it as a reason to not trust Republicans at all, just as the majority of average people in 1980 dropped the New Deal Democrats. That's the problem the Republicans have right now.

In 1980, voters turned their backs because they understood (inherently or by political indoctrination) that unbalanced demand-manipulation caused inflation, which undermined the US economy. High marginal tax rates were seen as the segue to demand-manipulation and lack of productivity.

In 2008, voters turned their backs on Republicans because they were pissed off. That's as deep as the argument goes. What did Bush do? You could argue that his political impotence in Term 2 allowed Congress to run amok with their banker friends and raise min wage right before a recession (as if sticky wages aren't bad enough), but that's hardly a sign of Republican policy. The only legitimate arguments blamed Republicans for the exorbitant cost of post-secondary education, but that was it. Democrats were equally culpable for blocking energy development, and allowing oil to reach $140/bbl.

It's true that CRA and the Anti-Redlining Ruse cannot be directly traced to the mortgage-backed securities collapse. However, they are both part of government programs to manipulate demand on behalf of corporate America.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2014, 01:31:18 PM »

Oh brother. The majority of voters in 1980 were not economics professors. The average 1980 voter was even less educated than the average 2008 voter. They had no idea what caused inflation or understood "unbalanced demand-manipulation." They knew they weren't happy with Jimmy Carter and his handling of the Iran situation, energy crisis, and inflation among other things.

In 1980, younger impressionable voters saw a terrible President in Jimmy Carter and an inspiring President in Ronald Reagan and became Republicans for life. That's all that happened. Nobody was sitting around having 300 level economics class discussions.

I didn't claim Republican voters were not subject to the same electoral impulses. I said they understood, via their own knowledge or via political indoctrination, the supposed faults of the Carter admin or of liberalism in general: high maringal taxes, rampant inflation caused by certain types of government programs and monetary policies. The platform was explicitly articulated.

The same cannot be said for 2008. Nothing has changed other than fracking and some aggravating cost-shifting in the health insurance industry. CAFE standards are currently below market fleet fuel economy. Cap gains changed, but everyone knew that had to happen when stimulus and QE started up. We're living in virtually the same world, except now Democrats block reform (besides fracking), rather than Republicans running away from reform.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2014, 02:40:23 AM »

Oh God, you're one of those "poor people crashed the economy" conservatives. Now I know you're truly a troll.

Maybe you think people fantasize about kicking the poor around, but I wouldn't waste my time, besides we all know that lower-middle class and poor people were not the big default risk. CRA and Clinton red-lining are a question of civic restraint, and whether or not those policies opened a pandora's box and created perverse economic incentives in the mortgage market.
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