Ending Financial Havens for Islamic State (Debating)

[Lumine]

I rather like this bill, and it has my support.

We certainly need to make a few changes in the Middle East and updating our policy towards Saudi Arabia should be something that we need to do, although I think that's something more suitable for the Presidency and a Secretary of External Affairs than the Senate itself.

[Lumine]

I agree but aren't there usually also actions the legislature has to take in this regard as well?

I'm not sure if that applies on this case (assuming we're talking about Saudi Arabia), considering foreign aid and military have been gutted over the past months to the extend it's not a credible weapon. Severing diplomatic relationships arbitrarily is possible, but for obvious reasons a terrible idea. On the other hand, the President+SoEA can discuss affairs with the governments in the region and overall seem to have the powers to act in a far more effective way. We could pass something mostly symbolic (like my Ukraine resolution), but it doesn't amount to much without vigorous action from the Executive branch. Or at least that's my reading of the situation after the recent conflicts regarding what can (and what can't) be done in foreign policy.

[Lumine]

I agree with most of amendment and withdrawing the personnel in Saudi Arabia is something I support (given that it pretty much serves a negative symbol for many Muslims), but I don't think wihdrawing from Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates is a wise idea. Overall, this issue shouldn't be a justification to outright withdraw from most of the Middle East.

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Nay.

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Just as I explained before, I will take control of this slot for the time being, since there's no Vice-President.

Sponsor, your thoughts on this amendment?

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Sponsor?

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Unfriendly then?

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The amendment has been declared unfriendly and a vote has started on it. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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Nay, I also agree with Polnut here.

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The amendment has failed.

Aye (1) Senator TNF.
Nay (7) Senator Yankee, Senator JCL, PPT Lumine, Senator Polnut, Senator Nix, Senator Bore and Senator Cassius.
Abstained (0)

Not Voting (2) Senator Deus and Senator Cynic.

[Lumine]

Senator, please, that paranoia is better suited to our failed former President. We can't withdraw in a week, and it's utterly ridiculous to suggest Senator Polnut's motives to have anything to do with the election.

Since there's an objection to the amendment, we will now vote on it. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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Aye.

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The amendment has passed.

Aye (5) PPT Lumine, Senator JCL, Senator Polnut, Senator Cynic and Senator Bore.
Nay (4) Senator Deus, Senator TNF, Senator Nix and Senator Cassius.
Abstained (0)

Not Voting (1) Senator Yankee.

[Lumine]

Senators, a final vote has started on this, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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[Lumine]

Aye.

The Ending Financial Havens for Islamist Terrorism Act has passed the Senate and will been sent to the President for executive action.

Aye (5) PPT Lumine, Senator JCL, Senator Bore, Senator TNF, Senator Polnut and Senator Deus.
Nay (0)
Abstained (0)

Not Voting (5) Senator Cassius, Senator Yankee, Senator Nix and Senator Cynic.