"Give up your freedom and you can have sex all the time!"

[Landslide Lyndon]

At least that's the essence of liberalism according to the Heritage Foundation.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-dcs-conservative-elite-view-liberals

What do conservatives think of liberals today?

Here’s the view from the Heritage Foundation: Liberalism creates self-indulgent, licentious hedonists willing to cede every other kind of freedom to an increasingly authoritarian government.

“Give up your economic freedom, give up your political freedom, and you will be rewarded with license,” said Heritage’s David Azerrad, describing the reigning philosophy of the left. “It’s all sex all the time. It’s not just the sex itself—it’s the permission to indulge.”

Liberals, said editor Bill Voegeli, want to create “the United States of Feeling Good About Ourselves.”

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the National Review’s Kevin Williamson, citing stray calls from the left to “arrest climate change deniers.”

[Person Man]

At least that's the essence of liberalism according to the Heritage Foundation.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/how-dcs-conservative-elite-view-liberals

What do conservatives think of liberals today?

Here’s the view from the Heritage Foundation: Liberalism creates self-indulgent, licentious hedonists willing to cede every other kind of freedom to an increasingly authoritarian government.

“Give up your economic freedom, give up your political freedom, and you will be rewarded with license,” said Heritage’s David Azerrad, describing the reigning philosophy of the left. “It’s all sex all the time. It’s not just the sex itself—it’s the permission to indulge.”

Liberals, said editor Bill Voegeli, want to create “the United States of Feeling Good About Ourselves.”

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the National Review’s Kevin Williamson, citing stray calls from the left to “arrest climate change deniers.”

Conservatism creates self-indulgent, licentious money grubbers willing to cede every other kind of freedom to an increasingly authoritarian government.

“Give up your personal freedom, give up your political freedom, and you will be rewarded with  license,”  describing the reigning philosophy of the right. “It’s all money all the time. It’s not just the money itself—it’s the permission to screw others.”

Conservatives, want to create “the United States of Screwing People of Over.”

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the citing stray calls from the right to “arrest abortion-breast cancer link deniers.”

Fixed.

[Lief 🗽]

Sounds like this guy needs to get laid.

[angus]

After all, Libertarianism is simply smoking dope and participating in gay sex orgies

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Uh, "eliminating summer vacations" was the Heritage Foundation's idea 20 years ago.

When has anyone on the left ever endorsed it?

[Deus Naturae]

Sounds like this guy needs to get laid.

^this

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Uh, "eliminating summer vacations" was the Heritage Foundation's idea 20 years ago.

When has anyone on the left ever endorsed it?

The person they're citing as being part of "the left" is Matthew Yglesias, who was a Romney supporter.

[Brittain33]

Uh, "eliminating summer vacations" was the Heritage Foundation's idea 20 years ago.

When has anyone on the left ever endorsed it?

The person they're citing as being part of "the left" is Matthew Yglesias, who was a Romney supporter.

He was a Romney supporter in 2002, not 2008 or 2012, and he's a solid Democrat.

[Redalgo]

The think tank is not entirely wrong. Liberals are generally more self-indulgent, hedonistic, and prone to lapses of opportunism than their conservative counterparts. They have fewer qualms about defying authority figures, bucking social expectations, using their bodies like amusement parks, and betraying allies if the outcomes do no violence upon anyone and do not cheat them of what they seem to deserve. Liberals are also, statistically, more likely than conservatives to compromise on their principles in order to make utilitarian tradeoffs, doing a bit of evil to bring about good in situations where conservatives would generally remain steadfast in their refusal to get what they want through a sacrifice of personal integrity.

Clearly there is a lack of understanding involved here when it comes to freedom and how to respond to dissent, however, and perhaps that can be chalked up to the foundation's well-known conservative spin in much the same way one would expect a report from the Brookings Institute or Center for American Progress to stand by progressive interpretations of reality.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Defying authority isn't the same as being self-indulgent.

[Redalgo]

Defying authority isn't the same as being self-indulgent.

Your are right, and I am not conflating the two, but insisting on individual freedoms is indulgent - as are many of the choices people make to exercise those freedoms in contradiction to the expectations of duty to friends, family, community, or country. There are many instances where what feels like good judgement or benign fun to someone with progressive sensibilities appears decadent, impure, irresponsible, selfish, etc. to a person with a more traditional outlook.

For better or worse our camp doesn't hold itself up to all of the lofty standards that apply on the Right. Likewise, conservatives tend to fall short of our narrower, yet more intensely valued set of expectations.

[Cory]

Liberalism creates self-indulgent, licentious hedonists willing to cede every other kind of freedom to an increasingly authoritarian government.

Give up your economic freedom, give up your political freedom, and you will be rewarded with license, It’s all sex all the time. It’s not just the sex itself—it’s the permission to indulge.

Liberals want to create “the United States of Feeling Good About Ourselves.”

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought to be imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned, arrest climate change deniers.

This is what conservatives actually believe. In real life.

Trying to debate with a right-winger these days, especially a religious right winger, is like trying to convince a schizophrenic that there aren't snakes coming out from under their bed. It's just impossible because they are living in a complete fantasy world utterly divorced from reality.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

After all, Libertarianism is simply smoking dope and participating in gay sex orgies

Throw in Bitcoin and you're not far off.

[AggregateDemand]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Applies to both Heritage and liberals.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the citing stray calls from the right to “arrest abortion-breast cancer link deniers.”

Except no conservative has ever suggested such a thing.

The sexual/economic license contrast you make is more on point.  It can seem weird to a conservative that some liberal who is concerned with setting policies that deal with how many calories people eat, or what kind of lightbulb people use, can be so adamantly hands off when it comes to sex.  And it can seem weird to a liberal that a conservative who talks about small government is so focused on getting government out of the economy but doesn't seem to give certain invasions of privacy or restrictions on sexual autonomy a second thought.

[All Along The Watchtower]

What’s more, they think that those who disagree with them ought “to imprisoned—not to be debated, to be locked up on criminal charges and imprisoned,” said the citing stray calls from the right to “arrest abortion-breast cancer link deniers.”

Except no conservative has ever suggested such a thing.

The sexual/economic license contrast you make is more on point.  It can seem weird to a conservative that some liberal who is concerned with setting policies that deal with how many calories people eat, or what kind of lightbulb people use, can be so adamantly hands off when it comes to sex.  And it can seem weird to a liberal that a conservative who talks about small government is so focused on getting government out of the economy but doesn't seem to give certain invasions of privacy or restrictions on sexual autonomy a second thought.

It doesn't seem weird at all, when you recognize that the divide is between those who maintain that too much social inequality-broadly speaking-is a problem and those who think that vast inequality is not a problem at all.

Notice how tone-deaf (or even displaying outright hostility) many conservatives are on issues of civil rights-such as those for women, LGBTs, and minorities. They don't seem to recognize that some groups in society are favored over others, which contradicts their professed commitment to "equality of opportunity." They also seem to believe that the "isms" of racism, sexism, etc. are a thing of the past, something some bad people in Mississippi or whatever did in 1845 and who were total outliers in American history. Finally, they hold to a normative view of society that defends "traditional" power structures and hierarchies (Hence,  the opposition to feminism or equal rights for LGBT Americans).

Modern American conservatism is historically rooted in ferocious opposition to the most radically egalitarian ideology of all (socialism). But in their absolutist, paranoid thinking, many conservatives are convinced that the Moderate Heroes of the Democratic Party (and the Republicans who they don't think are pure enough, or who are willing to work with Democrats from time to time) is equivalent to Marxism. That's a belief straight out of the John Birch Society kooky conspiracy file. Unfortunately, conservatives have not seriously repudiated these beliefs, and if anything they have become more popular than ever among self-professed conservatives.

[Person Man]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Applies to both Heritage and liberals.

Who said that?

[pbrower2a]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Applies to both Heritage and liberals.

Who said that?

The first part,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[Person Man]

Hanlon's Law?