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« on: September 25, 2014, 11:43:23 AM »

Well?
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 11:51:11 AM »

Sticking up for principles as opposed to supporting whatever the Democratic Party does = FFs
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 11:57:06 AM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 11:59:30 AM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

As opposed to blindly supporting Western imperialism? Unlike you I don't believe in a modern-day white man's burden.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 12:12:14 PM »

Can't stand them
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2014, 12:13:22 PM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

As opposed to blindly supporting Western imperialism? Unlike you I don't believe in a modern-day white man's burden.
As if opposing dictatorships equates to imperialism.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2014, 12:28:11 PM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

As opposed to blindly supporting Western imperialism? Unlike you I don't believe in a modern-day white man's burden.

False dichotomy.

But anyways overall FF's.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2014, 12:33:20 PM »

Terrible. Also probably consider the Workers Party of Korea to be preferable to the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 12:47:26 PM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

This exactly.

Honestly, I would be OK with True Leftists if they would just stick to domestic economic issues, where they tend to be naive and useless, but they at least have their heart in the right place. Foreign Policy True Leftism, on the other hand, is a force of evil that needs to be crushed. I seriously have more respect for neocons than from the "let's do nothing" crowd.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 02:02:11 PM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

As opposed to blindly supporting Western imperialism? Unlike you I don't believe in a modern-day white man's burden.
As if opposing dictatorships equates to imperialism.

Which is why American neoliberals bravely stand against Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Burma, Equatorial Guinea, etc.
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 02:07:56 PM »

"Well we're not opposing all dictatorships, so might as well not oppose any of them."

^^^Literally True Leftist "logic."
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 02:14:36 PM »

Conflicted, but I do have some True Leftist™ tendencies.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 02:17:50 PM »

Counterproductive naïfs.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2014, 02:25:49 PM »

Awful.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 02:32:58 PM »

Better than the Democratic hacks, but the hate for Bernie Sanders was really, really bad.

Voted FF in protest of Lief & company, who are equally as annoying with their "lol Republicans are dead" threads every other week. The circle jerk is two years too old now.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2014, 02:38:55 PM »

When have I ever made a "lol Republicans are dead" thread?
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2014, 02:39:12 PM »

HPs. Only slightly more tolerable at the moment than their polar opposite (Tea Partiers) because True Leftists don't hold power.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2014, 02:47:15 PM »

The nirvana fallacy made human.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2014, 02:51:48 PM »

Pretty disgusting ideology. They seem to support a new murderous dictator or genocidal terror group every month, have little regard for the human rights of non-Westerners, and oppose policies that actually help the Western workers they care about because the policies are not perfectly socialist or whatever.

This exactly.

Honestly, I would be OK with True Leftists if they would just stick to domestic economic issues, where they tend to be naive and useless, but they at least have their heart in the right place. Foreign Policy True Leftism, on the other hand, is a force of evil that needs to be crushed. I seriously have more respect for neocons than from the "let's do nothing" crowd.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2014, 03:05:48 PM »

Sticking up for principles as opposed to supporting whatever the Democratic Party does = FFs
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2014, 03:29:33 PM »

"Well we're not opposing all dictatorships, so might as well not oppose any of them."

^^^Literally True Leftist "logic."

It's cute that you think that "protecting human rights" or "spreading democracy" has anything to do with our motives for Middle Eastern intervention.


Marxism is purely scientific, not idealistic.
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2014, 03:30:13 PM »

HPs
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2014, 03:37:44 PM »

Marxism is purely scientific, not idealistic.

Nice trollin', bro.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2014, 03:41:53 PM »
« Edited: September 25, 2014, 03:58:03 PM by ℒief »

"Well we're not opposing all dictatorships, so might as well not oppose any of them."

^^^Literally True Leftist "logic."

It's cute that you think that "protecting human rights" or "spreading democracy" has anything to do with our motives for Middle Eastern intervention.

The people ISIS is raping, murdering, and enslaving don't give a fuçk what our motives are.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2014, 03:51:32 PM »

The "True Left" is a mythological beast conjured up by red avatars to attack people who hold policy positions that they dislike whether it is voting for a non-Democratic candidate, advocating for likely unfeasible legislative action or being against Obama. Many of these positions coincide with one another but they're not indicative of coherent viewpoints. Someone who is a self-described Socialist could just as easily be labeled a progressive Democrat as a "True Leftist" depending on the circumstances.

Let's stick to specifics: the claim that bombing ISIS is imperialistic and unethical is either sophistic or delusional. I will not sacrifice my time or energy debating anyone who is against bombing ISIS for the same reason that I refuse to debate kindergartners over the existence of Santa Claus. For me, this holds true with the eternal debate between revolutionary movements and reformism and a laundry-list of other inter-left feuds.
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