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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 25, 2014, 03:51:32 PM »

The "True Left" is a mythological beast conjured up by red avatars to attack people who hold policy positions that they dislike whether it is voting for a non-Democratic candidate, advocating for likely unfeasible legislative action or being against Obama. Many of these positions coincide with one another but they're not indicative of coherent viewpoints. Someone who is a self-described Socialist could just as easily be labeled a progressive Democrat as a "True Leftist" depending on the circumstances.

Let's stick to specifics: the claim that bombing ISIS is imperialistic and unethical is either sophistic or delusional. I will not sacrifice my time or energy debating anyone who is against bombing ISIS for the same reason that I refuse to debate kindergartners over the existence of Santa Claus. For me, this holds true with the eternal debate between revolutionary movements and reformism and a laundry-list of other inter-left feuds.
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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 03:55:02 PM »


This is a hyperbolic generalization. We owe a lot to "True Leftists" who focus their attention on building social movements in the workplace and in disadvantaged neighborhoods.
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TheDeadFlagBlues
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 07:09:24 PM »


This is a hyperbolic generalization. We owe a lot to "True Leftists" who focus their attention on building social movements in the workplace and in disadvantaged neighborhoods.

That's... really not what's meant by the term; it's certainly not what I mean by it.  If you're focusing your efforts on grassroots organizing and such rather than electoral politics, then fine, I respect that, even if you're more radical than thou on whatever issue.  Hats off.  If you're gonna go and defend Putin and ISIS, or pick Nader over Gore even with hindsight, or entertain for one hot second the disgusting doctrine of "heighten the contradictions", then that's what I'm talking about.

And I say this in full knowledge of the fact that, as someone who will presumably be voting Hawkins instead of Cuomo this November, there are people who would consider me trueleft.

Sorry, this term is confusing. I'm not sure if it refers to basement-dwelling Stalinists, Socialist activists, soccer moms with Jill Stein bumperstickers or non-voting "alts" with sleeve tattoos.
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