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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2014, 10:55:46 AM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2014, 12:15:36 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2014, 01:38:18 PM »

We need a third Party that is consistently pro-life, one that will stand against the murder of unborn children through abortion along with the murder of foreigners through war.
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2014, 02:24:55 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2014, 04:02:33 PM »

If people would just vote for the best person for the job instead of the lesser of two evils...
the greater of two evils wins.
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2014, 05:46:03 PM »

We need a third Party that is consistently pro-life, one that will stand against the murder of unborn children through abortion along with the murder of foreigners through war.

Libertarians?
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2014, 08:10:21 PM »

We need a third Party that is consistently pro-life, one that will stand against the murder of unborn children through abortion along with the murder of foreigners through war.

You should join me in supporting the Constitution Party. They fit that description. Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2014, 08:46:31 PM »

We need a third Party that is consistently pro-life, one that will stand against the murder of unborn children through abortion along with the murder of foreigners through war.

Libertarians?

Well, Ron Paul, but not the Libertarian Party as a whole.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2014, 08:56:38 PM »

We need a third Party that is consistently pro-life, one that will stand against the murder of unborn children through abortion along with the murder of foreigners through war.

You should join me in supporting the Constitution Party. They fit that description. Smiley

I like the Constitution Party, and I'll have to seriously consider voting for their candidate in 2016 because I'm pretty sure that the GOP will nominate a Neoconservative again.  I'm registered as a Republican because there are still some good Republicans left.  I'm really impressed with Thomas Massie, my Representative from when I lived in Kentucky.

Chuck Baldwin is great, I really wish he would run again.  I would love even more to see Baldwin make it on to the debate stage against Jeb and Hillary, I can only dream.
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2014, 11:03:18 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2014, 11:24:54 PM by Redalgo »

Chuck Baldwin is great, I really wish he would run again.  I would love even more to see Baldwin make it on to the debate stage against Jeb and Hillary, I can only dream.

Maybe I am missing something here but Chuck lives in my county and I can tell ya he is pretty hardcore. He wants Montana to ignore Supreme Court rulings on some issues, unilaterally seize all federal lands in the state, have immigration policies created in Helena in defiance of the Constitution, and uses militant rhetoric - encouraging Montanans to prepare for a revolution against the federal government, which he has insisted will impose martial law at some point in the near future.

From some of his statements he also seems to think the federal government wants to take away our guns, is using FEMA as a cover to prepare secret prisons for political dissenters, might have orchestrated 9/11, and is in cahoots with a shadowy band of socialist conspirators who allegedly run the United Nations. He has gone out of his way to offer outspoken condemnation of Islam and homosexuality, too.

Though I do not know how much overlap there is between their respective views, Baldwin has a strong following both in and out of church here among white supremacists and neo-Nazis. One of the political events he was a speaker at earlier this year even featured a book burning, though perhaps he did not participate in that part of the venue? It can be tricky figuring him out since so many his comments are controversial and could be easily taken out of context by people wanting to score cheap political points.

Libertarians have an internal divide over the question of abortion's permissibility. You might be better off finding someone amidst their number than from the ranks of Constitution Party members. That is not to say there isn't anyone respectable there... but finding someone sensible that far out on the fringes may be just as hard on the Right as it is on the Left for those trying to find a socialist or Green candidate who does not go on and on about corporate and ruling elite conspiracy theories or vilify the rich in general.
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2014, 01:45:22 AM »

If people would just vote for the best person for the job instead of the lesser of two evils...
the greater of two evils wins.
Sure, sometimes....and sometimes they win even when people chose the lesser of two evils.  I know I feel better after voting for the best person for the job.  Certainly better feeling than the majority that hold their nose and pull the lever for somebody that sucks slightly less than other guy, ignoring the people further down the ballot that actually fit them ideologically.
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2014, 04:15:40 PM »

OK, I'll accept Kansas because Orman is promising the same kind of bland centrism that is popular with these things (Kansas is in a funny place right now though, and hardly representative of the rest of America).

As for the rest - all those states you mentioned becoming toss-ups prove my point. They aren't becoming toss-ups because half of fervent GOP's woke up one day and thought "huh, maybe I should vote for Obama". It's because of demographic changes. American politics is less and less about convincing people you are right, and more about catering to those who know you're right.

Yeah, but we can still change that narrative. Tongue Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both near perfect examples of that, and John McCain and Mitt Romney aren't way too lousy they either, although they come a far shot away from the two really big guns. If there's something Barack and Hillary have had on their minds for the past decade or so it's certainly to make the US less partisan and more harmonic. Thanks to jerkasses like Rupert Murdoch and all his afilliates, their strategy hasn't yet worked of course. And even bigger obstacle than Rupert Shothead Murdoch is the insanely conservative Supreme Court of course. My point is basically this: Please blame the increasing partisanship of where it belongs: the constitution, the absolutely mind-blowingly insane composition of the Supreme Court (even countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria would never even consider appointing such dumb, right-wing jokes of candidates), gerrymandering, way too many billionaire/big business money in politics, religion in America (the US is in fact almost as darn and dangerously religious as the vast majority of muslim countries in this world), the ridiculous constitutional right to bear arms, the almost equally (almost-constitutional right) to assassine a fellow citizen deemed guilty by someone (most of the time you don't even need the evidence of DNA, just share finger-pointing). I mean, if you try to tell me the US is not a crazy society then you're definitely off on a very wrong mission.

Who's crazy?  You commie reindeer-herders would have the world's longest life expectancy were it not for jumping off into the frozen fjords like lemmings during the long dark winter.
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2014, 04:18:48 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2014, 04:31:44 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2014, 04:48:19 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.

Who are the "American people"? Do they even have political views at all-let alone ones consistent with their ideological and partisan identification?   

On the other hand, if polled about specific issues:

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To just list a few examples.
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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2014, 09:05:38 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.

I'm pretty sure a generic Democrat is closer to your PM score than a generic Republican is.
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2014, 10:57:13 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.

I'm pretty sure a generic Democrat is closer to your PM score than a generic Republican is.

I've seen zero positive fiscal scores from Dems on this forum and, given how simplistic our test really is, I highly doubt any Senate Democrat has a positive one either.
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2014, 11:12:07 PM »

We already have a centrist party. They're called Democrats.

Maybe centrist according to your rather out there PM scores, but not compared to the American people.

I'm pretty sure a generic Democrat is closer to your PM score than a generic Republican is.

I've seen zero positive fiscal scores from Dems on this forum and, given how simplistic our test really is, I highly doubt any Senate Democrat has a positive one either.

Key phrase. Atlas is hardly representative of the real world. And even if you assume a generic Democrat has a negative economic score, it would still probably be closer to yours on balance than a generic Republican's would be.
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2014, 06:24:34 AM »

Is a three party system viable in this country? No. Is a four-party system viable in this country? Yes.

Something like Labor-Democratic-Republican-Constitution. The dominant forces in such a scenario (based on today) would likely be Constitution & Democratic, with Republicans having the ability to affect who controls the presidency and Labor affecting who controls the House.
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2014, 08:03:50 AM »

We have a third party in the U.S. It's called "not voting."
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