Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

That's not a poor idea in theory, although I do share Senator Yankee's concerns that it would raise unemployment (at least temporarily).

Perhaps, but it would indeed be short-term as the workers found better jobs in the greater number of thriving individual small businesses.

Remember also that this is a tax on profits, not income. If a company is being affected by this bill, they will still be making a profit with their current workforce after the tax is deducted.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Our maybe all those campaign donations from Wal-Mart executives are clouding my judgment.

Nah, that couldn't be.

I think from now on I'll call you Blanche Lincoln.

[Franzl]

That's not a poor idea in theory, although I do share Senator Yankee's concerns that it would raise unemployment (at least temporarily).

Perhaps, but it would indeed be short-term as the workers found better jobs in the greater number of thriving individual small businesses.

Remember also that this is a tax on profits, not income. If a company is being affected by this bill, they will still be making a profit with their current workforce after the tax is deducted.

True, a chain already making profits is unlikely to be forced to lay off people, as opposed to the effects of big minimum wage increases or higher corporate taxation in general.

I think this is worth looking into.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That's not a poor idea in theory, although I do share Senator Yankee's concerns that it would raise unemployment (at least temporarily).

Perhaps, but it would indeed be short-term as the workers found better jobs in the greater number of thriving individual small businesses.

Remember also that this is a tax on profits, not income. If a company is being affected by this bill, they will still be making a profit with their current workforce after the tax is deducted.

True, a chain already making profits is unlikely to be forced to lay off people, as opposed to the effects of big minimum wage increases or higher corporate taxation in general.

I think this is worth looking into.

In that case yes it would be.

Our maybe all those campaign donations from Wal-Mart executives are clouding my judgment.

Nah, that couldn't be.

I think from now on I'll call you Blanche Lincoln.

I would strongly encourage you to refrain from doing that.

[Vepres]

I, on behalf of the Midwest region, am requesting aid for the areas of the state of happiness (oh, the irony!) that were damaged by last weeks tornadoes and thunderstorms. I currently estimate that upwards of $30 million is required.

[k-onmmunist]

Alas, thus dies my attempt at public ownership. Though I did expect it to fail

[Badger]

Alas, thus dies my attempt at public ownership. Though I did expect it to fail

But hey, you finally got some activity kicked back into the Senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Actually it's not dead yet. You've got 15 minutes to get 4 Senators to change their vote. Good luck!

[Badger]

Immigration Reform Act of 2010:
1) Immigration from the following countries is hereby banned:
-Afghanistan
-Albania
-Algeria
-Azerbaijan
-Bahrain
-Bangladesh
-Brunei
-Burkina Faso
-Chad
-Comoros
-Djibouti
-Egypt
-Guinea
-Indonesia
-Iran
-Iraq
-Jordan
-Kazakhstan
-Kuwait
-Kyrgyzstan
-Lebanon
-Libya
-Malaysia
-Maldives
-Mali
-Mauritania
-Morocco
-Niger
-Nigeria
-Oman
-Pakistan
-Qatar
-Saudi Arabia
-Senegal
-Sierra Leone
-Somalia
-Sudan
-Syria
-Tajikistan
-The Gambia
-Tunisia
-Turkey
-Turkmenistan
-United Arab Emirates
-Uzbekistan
-Yemen
2) Immigrants from these countries who are already legally in the Republic of Atlasia shall not be affected by this legislation.

Is this a joke?

[Хahar 🤔]

Immigration Reform Act of 2010:
1) Immigration from the following countries is hereby banned:
-Afghanistan
-Albania
-Algeria
-Azerbaijan
-Bahrain
-Bangladesh
-Brunei
-Burkina Faso
-Chad
-Comoros
-Djibouti
-Egypt
-Guinea
-Indonesia
-Iran
-Iraq
-Jordan
-Kazakhstan
-Kuwait
-Kyrgyzstan
-Lebanon
-Libya
-Malaysia
-Maldives
-Mali
-Mauritania
-Morocco
-Niger
-Nigeria
-Oman
-Pakistan
-Qatar
-Saudi Arabia
-Senegal
-Sierra Leone
-Somalia
-Sudan
-Syria
-Tajikistan
-The Gambia
-Tunisia
-Turkey
-Turkmenistan
-United Arab Emirates
-Uzbekistan
-Yemen
2) Immigrants from these countries who are already legally in the Republic of Atlasia shall not be affected by this legislation.

Is this a joke?

You never can tell with him.

[Junkie]

I just finished briefing Bono V. Atlasia II, 2005 Atl. S.C. 2nd 2 (2005).  With all the economic related bills going through the senate lately, it might be prudent to take a look at the Court's decision in Part II.  It greatly restricted the Senate's power in terms of tax law.  Unless abrogated by a later case or constitutional amendment (and I am not seeing one right now), Part II would make several of these bills unconstitutional.  Here is how I see it:

Social & Economic Development Zone Improvement Act -- Section 3, sub 2 would be unconstitional clearly under both holdings of Part II; I think every other part of the Act would survive

Break the Chains Act -- could be fine, although fine under the second holding in Part II, could run into problems depending on how one interprets the "uniformity" ruling in Part II

Make Internet Sales Fair Act -- Clearly constitutional under Part II

Hiring Incentives Act -- also could run into trouble under the "uniformity" ruling, again depending on how it is interpreted.

I have recently broken down every ruling from that case in the Law Journal if that helps.

[k-onmmunist]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

[Purple State]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

[bgwah]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

Why?

[Purple State]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

Why?

I believe it harms us as a practical matter - many people from the countries listed have much to offer in the advancement of science, technology, art, literature, etc.

What is your reason for creating a blanket ban on immigrants from those countries?

[bgwah]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

Why?

I believe it harms us as a practical matter - many people from the countries listed have much to offer in the advancement of science, technology, art, literature, etc.

What is your reason for creating a blanket ban on immigrants from those countries?

I would be willing to accept an amendment to exempt those with college degrees.

[Хahar 🤔]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

I will be vetoing it if it passes in any form remotely similar to what it is currently.

Why?

I believe it harms us as a practical matter - many people from the countries listed have much to offer in the advancement of science, technology, art, literature, etc.

What is your reason for creating a blanket ban on immigrants from those countries?

I would be willing to accept an amendment to exempt those with college degrees.

In that case, it would fail in its goal of keeping those people out.

[bgwah]

Those people?

[Хahar 🤔]

Yes, those people.

[bgwah]

Yes, those people.

May I ask who these people are?

[Хahar 🤔]

You're helping nobody by being deliberately obtuse.

[bgwah]

You're helping nobody by being deliberately obtuse.

Congratulations describing almost your entire posting history. Actually, that's not quite true, as that would suggest you actually know what you're talking about most of the time.

[Хahar 🤔]

Ah, the tested-and-true Libertas school of retorts.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Ah, the tested-and-true Libertas school of retorts.

Now, now, Xahar and bgwah, as founder of the Peace Caucus I feel obligated to invite the two of you to make peace. There's no need to drag me into this senseless quarrel.



(Worth a try...)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I see a picture of Libertas, bgwah and Xahar having a "kegger".



I wonder if they will be serving coffin varnish, vintage 1924.