Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Senator Clarence]

Scott- the time conscription should be used would be in the face of an existential threat...in which case people may be fleeing rather then fighting. The draft needs to be a last resort option...any defense cuts only make it more so

[Governor Scott]

Scott- the time conscription should be used would be in the face of an existential threat...in which case people may be fleeing rather then fighting. The draft needs to be a last resort option...any defense cuts only make it more so

People flee to Canada during drafts all the time.  As for defense spending, I don't object to increasing that if the country is in imminent danger.  But as I said, however, countries should cut that spending when they aren't fighting any wars.

[homelycooking]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

[Secretary Polnut]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

This is something that I'm certainly supportive of.

[Senator Napoleon]

Funny how many of my June ideas have came about despite the attacks I had to endure.

Elect Napoleon, for a true visionary

[shua]

There are a few bills that have passed but have not been signed, and the thread title statuses have not been updated. They probably need to be put in the WH thread or else a PM to the Prez.  Also, the wiki could use some updating - whoever's job it is to do that since we don't have an AG.

[Cincinnatus]

There are a few bills that have passed but have not been signed, and the thread title statuses have not been updated. They probably need to be put in the WH thread or else a PM to the Prez.  Also, the wiki could use some updating - whoever's job it is to do that since we don't have an AG.

It's the VP's job I believe.

[homelycooking]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

Is no one else willing to correct this problem? I can draft a constitutional amendment if so.

[Secretary Polnut]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

Is no one else willing to correct this problem? I can draft a constitutional amendment if so.

I discussed this as something I wanted to target if elected as president, a constitutional amendment won't be settled in time for this election, but I think we'd all be interested in a draft amendment.

[bgwah]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

Is no one else willing to correct this problem? I can draft a constitutional amendment if so.

I already wrote one a while ago: http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_Third_Constitution

[homelycooking]

I do not think that Atlasia should go much longer without having a Secretary of Federal Elections. You may wish to find a new SoFE or shuffle some positions around, but if you are so inclined, I would be quite willing to serve in both capacities with one title should the RG and SoFE roles be combined due to constitutional amendment.

Is no one else willing to correct this problem? I can draft a constitutional amendment if so.

I already wrote one a while ago: http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_Third_Constitution

sounds good to me

[shua]

There's a problem in the Trim the Fat Act that was also in the Health Spending Adjustment Act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way to reduce the costs of Atlasian National Healthcare without changing the way the program works. Either the Atlasian government is responsible for the full cost of it or it isn't.

[Big Wiggly Style]

There's a problem in the Trim the Fat Act that was also in the Health Spending Adjustment Act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way to reduce the costs of Atlasian National Healthcare without changing the way the program works. Either the Atlasian government is responsible for the full cost of it or it isn't.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing...I'm thinking about writing a bill to repeal the healthcare law.

[Marokai]

There's a problem in the Trim the Fat Act that was also in the Health Spending Adjustment Act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way to reduce the costs of Atlasian National Healthcare without changing the way the program works. Either the Atlasian government is responsible for the full cost of it or it isn't.

I still fail to understand how we're falling so short of paying for it. With our tax rates and our simplified welfare structure there should be few problems with dealing with our healthcare spending.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing...I'm thinking about writing a bill to repeal the healthcare law.

That's quite a leap. Hell, even Napoleon's bill on health care is gross. Our current system should have no problems, and this arbitrary right-wing tilt some of the Senate have on these issues should concern anybody paying attention..

[Big Wiggly Style]

It has no problems...other than the fact that it makes up for a majority of our budget and without the gigantic system, we wouldn't have a deficit...

[shua]

There's a problem in the Trim the Fat Act that was also in the Health Spending Adjustment Act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way to reduce the costs of Atlasian National Healthcare without changing the way the program works. Either the Atlasian government is responsible for the full cost of it or it isn't.

I still fail to understand how we're falling so short of paying for it. With our tax rates and our simplified welfare structure there should be few problems with dealing with our healthcare spending.

If you don't think the cost of the program is a problem, why did you write a bill reducing doctors' reimbursement for providing mandated care?   

I think some people don't like the idea of having such a huge payroll tax.   And considering the ANHA provides free of charge more coverage than any private insurance plan in existence, I think we can expect that people will continue to move into the program, thus increasing costs.

What do you mean by "simplified welfare structure"?

[Secretary Polnut]

It has no problems...other than the fact that it makes up for a majority of our budget and without the gigantic system, we wouldn't have a deficit...

That's a very simplistic position to take on something so complex my friend.

[Big Wiggly Style]

It has no problems...other than the fact that it makes up for a majority of our budget and without the gigantic system, we wouldn't have a deficit...

That's a very simplistic position to take on something so complex my friend.

I prefer to view it as an nutshell summary

[Marokai]

There's a problem in the Trim the Fat Act that was also in the Health Spending Adjustment Act.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is absolutely no way to reduce the costs of Atlasian National Healthcare without changing the way the program works. Either the Atlasian government is responsible for the full cost of it or it isn't.

I still fail to understand how we're falling so short of paying for it. With our tax rates and our simplified welfare structure there should be few problems with dealing with our healthcare spending.

If you don't think the cost of the program is a problem, why did you write a bill reducing doctors' reimbursement for providing mandated care?   

I think some people don't like the idea of having such a huge payroll tax.   And considering the ANHA provides free of charge more coverage than any private insurance plan in existence, I think we can expect that people will continue to move into the program, thus increasing costs.

What do you mean by "simplified welfare structure"?

I think we can reduce costs with the program, but I just take issue with your overall revenue numbers. The idea that we're making only a small amount more in income tax revenue than the actual United States, despite taxing more people and having them be significantly higher and more progressive, seems especially insane to me.

[shua]

I think we can reduce costs with the program, but I just take issue with your overall revenue numbers. The idea that we're making only a small amount more in income tax revenue than the actual United States, despite taxing more people and having them be significantly higher and more progressive, seems especially insane to me.

Try as I might, I don't see any way those tax rates come up with more than about 200 Billion over RL. I applied the change in rates as best I could to tax revenue data, and tended to err on the side of higher revenue.
We raise taxes on what amounts to about half the US tax base, by a good deal less than half for most of those taxpayers. These are marginal rates, so even the richest aren't paying that full 60%.  Some people may have expected half a trillion from it, but I haven't a clue why. It's not as though we have that much more income equality than the US.
Note I was quite generous in those corporate income tax figures. Sometimes individual and corporate income tax figures are combined when income tax revenues are cited, so I don't know if that's throwing you off.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Even "taxing the rich" has its limits.

[Marokai]

Even "taxing the rich" has its limits.

Blah blah blah. We should be raking in significantly more in income tax revenue than we do. If we have a blue avatar GM running wild with his own philosophy on how he wants things work, as opposed to how things actually work, then whatever. I suppose we're burdened by him being Game God either way.

[shua]

Even "taxing the rich" has its limits.

Blah blah blah. We should be raking in significantly more in income tax revenue than we do. If we have a blue avatar GM running wild with his own philosophy on how he wants things work, as opposed to how things actually work, then whatever. I suppose we're burdened by him being Game God either way.

Oh man, imagine what you'd be saying if I'd actually assumed the existence of Laffer curve effects! Maybe I should have assumed the existence of a million trillionaire overlords to tax for whatever castles in the clouds we dream up, instead of using silly things like math and IRS data tables.

[Senator Napoleon]

Shua is a great GM, how come all I see from you is posts bitching about this or whining about? You really have nothing positive to say and it is such a turn off.

[Marokai]

Shua is a great GM, how come all I see from you is posts bitching about this or whining about? You really have nothing positive to say and it is such a turn off.

Please take your demagoguery elsewhere. It is beyond transparent at this point.

Shua has been "okay" at best. He hasn't been as active as I was, or even as Badger was. He's only praised because of no one elses willingness to do the job at all. I also dislike his tendency to completely disregard all previous GM stats right back to Purple State.

If all of your criticism of me didn't exude willful dishonesty, I might take it seriously. In the meantime, I will continue freely speaking my mind on these issues, even if you enjoy jumping on every other word I say and winding up your faux-outrage.

If you're going to pop in here to pretend to be nice, though, then at least pop into the three ongoing votes I started hours ago. It's the least you could do.