Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Senator Napoleon]

That is completely unacceptable. At that point it becomes the same as ILV's amendment.

What, how? Everyone else agrees that replacing regional seats with districts is a bad idea.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That is completely unacceptable. At that point it becomes the same as ILV's amendment.

What, how? Everyone else agrees that replacing regional seats with districts is a bad idea.

Removing Regional Senate seats for any replacement reduces the influence of regions in the lawmaking process. Reducing them from their current state of parity with the At-Large seats has the same effect.

[Senator Napoleon]

I do not understand what you are trying to say. When ilikeverin remarked on how Northeastern voters are under-represented in the Senate due to population imbalance you applied Northeastern At Large Senators to our delegation to argue it was fair. Either your argument here is full of crap or your argument there was full of crap because it is contradictory to say regions can't be represented by At Large Senators now.

Additionally, I do not understand why I should care less about reducing the voting public's influence in the lawmaking process by reducing seats than reducing regions' influence by not having an exactly equal number of seats for each side. I care more about the game being able to function properly than I do anything else.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I do not understand what you are trying to say. When ilikeverin remarked on how Northeastern voters are under-represented in the Senate due to population imbalance you applied Northeastern At Large Senators to our delegation to argue it was fair. Either your argument here is full of crap or your argument there was full of crap because it is contradictory to say regions can't be represented by At Large Senators now.

Additionally, I do not understand why I should care less about reducing the voting public's influence in the lawmaking process by reducing seats than reducing regions' influence by not having an exactly equal number of seats for each side. I care more about the game being able to function properly than I do anything else.

No that is not what I was doing. I was playing devil's advocate and that would have been clear had my second post not gotten lost in transmission and the internet refused to cooperate for the rest of that day. Now that bill already seems to be winding down and thus my full range of points that I would have made, won't get to be made most likely. But the primary thrust of my arguement was the same one I made here above. The necessity of maintaining regional seats and maintaining them in equal numbers to the At-Large seats.

That is your decision to make, not mine.

[Yelnoc]

I'll just go ahead and put what I said in the poll thread in here.

Wow, I really managed to get everyone's fur up, didn't I?  I don't see how reducing the number of senate seats by two would hurt anything, because two of the ten senators are always inactive, but if that is oh so important than how about we fill the other two seats through a third method?  The purpose of reducing the number of senate seats is merely to retain the balance between regional and at-large seats, but that does not preclude a third method from being introduced.

[Governor Scott]

Does Atlasia have its own version of the Glass-Steagall Act in effect?

[Governor Scott]

Does Atlasia have its own version of the Glass-Steagall Act in effect?

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It was reinstated in 2008.

[Governor Scott]

It was reinstated in 2008.

Is the bill on the wiki?  I couldn't find it on there.

[Jayhawker]

Airport Renaming Act

1) Mondale National Airport shall henceforth be known as Purple State National Airport.
2) Arbenz International Airport shall henceforth be known as Colin Wixted International Airport.

Couldn't you rename other airports instead of the ones that have already been renamed?

Responding here to avoid clutter...
The reasoning behind this is that both of these airports were originally named after conservatives, and a very liberal Senate we had a while back decided it would be funny to anger the conservatives and change it to two liberals, leading many to have bitterness over an act of partisan hackery. This bill is an attempt to find common ground by instead naming the airports after two respected former Presidents.

[Senator Ben]

Also, Purple State and Colin were two people with sentimental value, as Colin was President when I joined, and Purple State made me SoEA and helped rehabilitate me after my scandal.  This is an attempt to honor two good men.

[Emperor SJoyce]

Airport Renaming Act

1) Mondale National Airport shall henceforth be known as Purple State National Airport.
2) Arbenz International Airport shall henceforth be known as Colin Wixted International Airport.

Couldn't you rename other airports instead of the ones that have already been renamed?

Responding here to avoid clutter...
The reasoning behind this is that both of these airports were originally named after conservatives, and a very liberal Senate we had a while back decided it would be funny to anger the conservatives and change it to two liberals, leading many to have bitterness over an act of partisan hackery. This bill is an attempt to find common ground by instead naming the airports after two respected former Presidents.

Ah. Seems like a great idea, but is the Senate able to do that (rename airports which lie within the territorial borders of the Mideast and are not part of a federal district)?

[Senator Ben]

Ah. Seems like a great idea, but is the Senate able to do that (rename airports which lie within the territorial borders of the Mideast and are not part of a federal district)?

We did once.

[Emperor SJoyce]

Ah. Seems like a great idea, but is the Senate able to do that (rename airports which lie within the territorial borders of the Mideast and are not part of a federal district)?

We did once.

Yes, but was that occurrence a legitimate exercise of federal power?

[Senator Ben]

Yes, but was that occurrence a legitimate exercise of federal power?

I believe so.  The two airports are national and international; that justifies federal involvement.

[Emperor SJoyce]

Yes, but was that occurrence a legitimate exercise of federal power?

I believe so.  The two airports are national and international; that justifies federal involvement.

So if an airport has (inter)national in its name, the federal government can change said name? So if there's an airport (say Key West International Airport), and I'm a Senator, I can make a bill renaming it after me?

[Senator Ben]

So if an airport has (inter)national in its name, the federal government can change said name? So if there's an airport (say Key West International Airport), and I'm a Senator, I can make a bill renaming it after me?

An airport that serves areas outside of any one region are under the jurisdiction of the federal government.  You could, but it wouldn't pass.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It was reinstated in 2008.

Is the bill on the wiki?  I couldn't find it on there.

I have something better, I have the links. They are saved in folder called Senate Bills in My Documents, on the computer that won't go online. I also can't access the folder at present for transference via flash drive because I am running a program on that machine, that won't finish until about 10 PM or so.

Try the Financial Services Reform Act of 2008. I am pretty sure that is what it is called.

[Emperor SJoyce]

I think what you're talking about is this, or possibly this.

[Governor Scott]

Articles of Impeachment

Attorney General Fuzzybigfoot shall hereby be tried by impeachment on the following five counts:

The High Crimes and Misdemeanors of

Armed robbery.
Burglary.
Criminal trespassing.
Criminal breach of the peace.
Conspiracy against rights.

Following impeachment by the People on any or all of the above counts, Fuzzybigfoot shall be considered immediately removed from office and banned from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a period of no less than twelve (12) months.

Did I miss something here?

[Emperor SJoyce]

Articles of Impeachment

Attorney General Fuzzybigfoot shall hereby be tried by impeachment on the following five counts:

The High Crimes and Misdemeanors of

Armed robbery.
Burglary.
Criminal trespassing.
Criminal breach of the peace.
Conspiracy against rights.

Following impeachment by the People on any or all of the above counts, Fuzzybigfoot shall be considered immediately removed from office and banned from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a period of no less than twelve (12) months.

Did I miss something here?

If you missed anything, check in the IDS Legislature page, the office of Emperor PiT, and the office of the Attorney General. http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=150826.msg3326604#msg3326604. Basically, Wormy thinks Fuzzy should be impeached for his actions.

[Governor Scott]

Articles of Impeachment

Attorney General Fuzzybigfoot shall hereby be tried by impeachment on the following five counts:

The High Crimes and Misdemeanors of

Armed robbery.
Burglary.
Criminal trespassing.
Criminal breach of the peace.
Conspiracy against rights.

Following impeachment by the People on any or all of the above counts, Fuzzybigfoot shall be considered immediately removed from office and banned from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a period of no less than twelve (12) months.

Did I miss something here?

If you missed anything, check in the IDS Legislature page, the office of Emperor PiT, and the office of the Attorney General. http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=150826.msg3326604#msg3326604. Basically, Wormy thinks Fuzzy should be impeached for his actions.

Quite odd.  I don't see how what Fuzzy is doing is unlawful in any way.  And what do armed robbery and burglary have anything to do with this?

[Emperor SJoyce]

Articles of Impeachment

Attorney General Fuzzybigfoot shall hereby be tried by impeachment on the following five counts:

The High Crimes and Misdemeanors of

Armed robbery.
Burglary.
Criminal trespassing.
Criminal breach of the peace.
Conspiracy against rights.

Following impeachment by the People on any or all of the above counts, Fuzzybigfoot shall be considered immediately removed from office and banned from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia for a period of no less than twelve (12) months.

Did I miss something here?

If you missed anything, check in the IDS Legislature page, the office of Emperor PiT, and the office of the Attorney General. http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=150826.msg3326604#msg3326604. Basically, Wormy thinks Fuzzy should be impeached for his actions.

Quite odd.  I don't see how what Fuzzy is doing is unlawful in any way.  And what do armed robbery and burglary have anything to do with this?

His armed agents broke into buildings throughout the IDS and stole large quantities of valuables.

[Senator Ben]

His armed agents broke into buildings throughout the IDS and stole large quantities of valuables.

Is that confirmed by the GM/SoIA?  Otherwise, I don't see where this goes (as is, I'm inclined not to support this).

[Emperor SJoyce]

His armed agents broke into buildings throughout the IDS and stole large quantities of valuables.

Is that confirmed by the GM/SoIA?  Otherwise, I don't see where this goes (as is, I'm inclined not to support this).

He said his agents were seizing all Dibble-exchange facilities throughout the IDS, and the SoIA reported such in his newspaper thing.