Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Senator Napoleon]

Because real life is more important than some game. If Marokai was sick, he is not mandated to post anything on this forum.

So, Marokai can criticize me for it and be hypocritical later on? No. I disagree. I also have already pointed out that this whole inactivity thing started back a while ago, not just these last couple days where he has ignored everything. Bgwah never would have let so many of these bills sit with no debate.

[Pacific Councillor Big Wiggly Style]

Because real life is more important than some game. If Marokai was sick, he is not mandated to post anything on this forum.

So, Marokai can criticize me for it and be hypocritical later on? No. I disagree. I also have already pointed out that this whole inactivity thing started back a while ago, not just these last couple days where he has ignored everything. Bgwah never would have let so many of these bills sit with no debate.

I never took Marokai's side. If a Senator is sick, they're sick. They are not required to tell the forum, period. And no one can accuse that Senator of inactivity simply because they didn't post an LOA.

[Senator Napoleon]

No excuses, and I think you are lying anyway.

You should have posted a LOA. You have been posting all over the rest of the forum. You willfully neglected your duties.

I think you just need a reason to bash Marokai.

I think you should look at the facts.

I think you should be as upset as I am that the most useless bill introduced during my whole time as senator sat on the floor for two whole weeks. Yeah, three days of flu did that. Please.

What prevented Marokai from posting publicly that he would be gone? Explain that.

Facts are a very curious thing.

Fact 1: You claimed Marokai was an inactive PPT. Let's try to measure that objectively. Since he was elected to the position of PPT, Marokai has created 17 Senate threads and maintained a couple of other threads. Even if he has not been able to update certain threads for a very short time span, your statement is still objectively inaccurate.

Fact 2: You criticized Marokai for "willfully neglecting" his duties because he has not updated certain debate threads for one or two days. On the other hand, we have a President who has not posted in the White House thread which he created himself for weeks and who has not signed numerous bills for several days. But yet you ignore the President's inactivity or even defend the President against any justified claims of inactivity.

This makes me conclude that 20RP12 was right with his assertion that you only need a reason to bash Marokai - no matter how far-fetched that reason is.

1 - I really don't care how many threads are created.

2 - The President's inactivity should be discussed in a separate thread, not the "Senate Protest and Analysis" thread. Regardless, I am more concerned with legislation on the floor being dealt with. The President has little impact on that.

[Senator Napoleon]

Because real life is more important than some game. If Marokai was sick, he is not mandated to post anything on this forum.

So, Marokai can criticize me for it and be hypocritical later on? No. I disagree. I also have already pointed out that this whole inactivity thing started back a while ago, not just these last couple days where he has ignored everything. Bgwah never would have let so many of these bills sit with no debate.

I never took Marokai's side. If a Senator is sick, they're sick. They are not required to tell the forum, period. And no one can accuse that Senator of inactivity simply because they didn't post an LOA.

This argument makes no sense if he is posting just fine elsewhere. I can understand wanting to take a LOA when ill but if you're able to post completely fine as Marokai has, I expect the common courtesy of a public announcement. That you don't see this is a problem.

[ZuWo]

No excuses, and I think you are lying anyway.

You should have posted a LOA. You have been posting all over the rest of the forum. You willfully neglected your duties.

I think you just need a reason to bash Marokai.

I think you should look at the facts.

I think you should be as upset as I am that the most useless bill introduced during my whole time as senator sat on the floor for two whole weeks. Yeah, three days of flu did that. Please.

What prevented Marokai from posting publicly that he would be gone? Explain that.

Facts are a very curious thing.

Fact 1: You claimed Marokai was an inactive PPT. Let's try to measure that objectively. Since he was elected to the position of PPT, Marokai has created 17 Senate threads and maintained a couple of other threads. Even if he has not been able to update certain threads for a very short time span, your statement is still objectively inaccurate.

Fact 2: You criticized Marokai for "willfully neglecting" his duties because he has not updated certain debate threads for one or two days. On the other hand, we have a President who has not posted in the White House thread which he created himself for weeks and who has not signed numerous bills for several days. But yet you ignore the President's inactivity or even defend the President against any justified claims of inactivity.

This makes me conclude that 20RP12 was right with his assertion that you only need a reason to bash Marokai - no matter how far-fetched that reason is.

1 - I really don't care how many threads are created.

2 - The President's inactivity should be discussed in a separate thread, not the "Senate Protest and Analysis" thread. Regardless, I am more concerned with legislation on the floor being dealt with. The President has little impact on that.

1 - That's a real pity because we should try to be objective. You were the one who made the bold claim that Marokai was "inactive" but who still didn't provide concrete evidence for his alleged inactivity. I mentioned the number of threads Marokai created and managed because this is an objective way to measure Marokai's level of activity. Likewise, we could have a look at the posts Marokai made as PPT, at the number of votes he oversaw etc. These are all objectively measurable actions. And they all show that Marokai has, in fact, been as active as his precedessors.

[Senator Napoleon]

As active? Hardly. I also doubt his predecessors would be so disrespectful to us citizens as to effectively deny them representation by not allowing the Dean to take over during a LOA. Threads created is totally irrelevant.

[ZuWo]

As active? Hardly. I also doubt his predecessors would be so disrespectful to us citizens as to effectively deny them representation by not allowing the Dean to take over during a LOA. Threads created is totally irrelevant.

Only if we refuse to measure the PPT's activity objectively. "threads created" essentially equals "bills introduced to the Senate floor". Now if a PPT has introduced 17 bills to the Senate floor in a time span of a bit more than one month and has maintained the very same threads by opening votes on amendments and overseeing final votes etc., how does that qualify as "inactive"?

[President Marokai]

Leave of absences are typically posted when, you know, I plan it. I asked BK to take over, and he declined to. If you were sick, I wouldn't criticize you or anyone else for taking time off to recover. No one in their right mind would do so.

[Senator Napoleon]

Im trying my best to understand this. You were too sick to allow the Dean to take over, but not sick enough to PM BK or post elsewhere? Yes?

I am glad you are no longer ill, Marokai, but I think this little situation is very disrespectful to Atlasia.

[President Marokai]

Im trying my best to understand this. You were too sick to allow the Dean to take over, but not sick enough to PM BK or post elsewhere? Yes?

Yankee has repeatedly complained in the past that he is unable to serve as PPT due to at-home struggles and inadequate internet. I went to the Vice President because that is the person I am usually supposed to turn to. I PMed him, and then crashed in bed. Posting in public about it was not necessary by any stretch of the imagination, and anyone who knew me personally would tell you I was sick.

You're someone who is sitting here nearly accusing me of lying about being sick in the first place, for some reason. Am I supposed to actually take your complaints seriously? You're searching for any reason to attack me, when you should be criticizing people who failed to follow procedure in this case, but you wouldn't dare do so because they're your party members. For someone who cares about activity, you only seem to care about mine.

My real life situations come before this forum. If I feel like garbage because of any sort of illness, my recovery takes priority. No one around here is expected to ignore their own health for the sake of a fantasy government. That would be insane. If you want to go criticize people, please criticize the President who allows bills to sit on the floor for ages without giving his signature to them, clogging up the que like you supposedly hate so much, or the Vice President that refuses to take over the Senate from an ailing PPT.

This is the second or third time I have seen you dodge any sort of criticism about that, saying it's the "wrong place" for talking about this Administration. Would you care to point out there the right place would be for discussing this so I can actually get your opinion on it without some sort of excuse? You have either become twisted and distorted by personal and partisan grudges, or you really don't care about trying to be honest at all.

[Senator Napoleon]

I do not accuse you of lying about being sick, I simply distrust the notion that you were entirely unable to delegate your duties properly in the meantime. While it is disappointing that BK neglected his VP responsibilities, there were alternatives.  Where was the VP?

[President Marokai]

No excuses, and I think you are lying anyway.

[Pacific Councillor Big Wiggly Style]

When will this end?

[Senator Napoleon]

That comment was regarding your accusation of the Vice President declining. If he does not want to perform his duties he might want to consider resigning. What did he say?

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If contacted I probably could have done something to keep things moving along. However, there is a procedural problem with that. The Dean has far less authority to "take over" in such instances. There is a five day minimum innactivity requirement on the part of the PPT. Marokai would have needed BK and his patented OSPR infringement to allow me to take over. Of course the problem with that is the same as the problem with getting BK to do the job himself.

[President Marokai]

In accordance with Article 3, Section 1, Clause 7 of the Senate Rules, I am removing Napoleon's legislation from the Senate que, because he is no longer a Senator. His healthcare bill will now be, for the purposes of my work, considered an MOPolitico only sponsored bill, and his other proposal is no longer in the que for the Senate's consideration.

[Senator Napoleon]

I do have to give Marokai props for helping push cosponsorship in the Senate.

[President Marokai]

I do have to give Marokai props for helping push cosponsorship in the Senate.

Thanks! It's not done nearly as often as it should be, IMO.

[Senator Napoleon]

I do have to give Marokai props for helping push cosponsorship in the Senate.

Thanks! It's not done nearly as often as it should be, IMO.

I agree. I also think it can go a long way in establishing friendlier relationships among Senators, improving the quality of debate.

[President Marokai]

OH GOD WE'RE COMPLIMENTING EACH OTHER A BLACK HOLE IS FORMING OHG OGWDI NOOO-

[Pacific Councillor Big Wiggly Style]

I WAS JUST THINKING THE SAME THING THIS IS BEAUTIFUL PLEASE CONTINUE

[Secretary Polnut]

OH GOD WE'RE COMPLIMENTING EACH OTHER A BLACK HOLE IS FORMING OHG OGWDI NOOO-

It's like a scene out of Dogma... "they'll unmake the world"

[Governor Scott]

The Fair Compliance Amendment

Article I, Section VI of The Atlasian Constitution is amended to read:
The Senate shall make no law that applies to the citizens of Atlasia that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Regional officers; and, the Senate shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Regional officers that does not apply equally to the citizens of Atlasia.

I might reword this so that it provides an exception for laws affecting the rules of the Senate, which obviously are not suppose to apply to citizens.

[President Marokai]

I just called some bills dead on the floor (since they were obviously legitimately rejected) but now that it's officially the first day of a new session, I'm pretty sure I now I have to step back and await a new election of a PPT and for everyone to swear in and start the next Senate. So.. yeah. Just wanted to say that.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am fairly certain that the Senate was supposed to start on March 2nd, not stop. Atleast that is how it was way back in the day. Senators these days.