Alfred's Hastily Constructed Cardboard Polling Box: Mideast "Hate Bill"

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

The Promotion of Marriage in Education Act, aka the Mideast Hate Bill, reads as follows:

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[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

What's this I hear? The old "we have the right to demean and dehumanize certain groups of people because muh regional rights" defense? I thought we'd been over this.

[SWE]

I hate it! (Non-Mideasterner) (Non-Nazi)

[free my dawg]

Absolutely disgusting. Expect an official statement soon.

[Oakvale]

All I'll say (given that this seems like the kind of thing that could end up in Court at some level) is that the level of outrage seems far out of proportion to what's basically the kind of thing our most conservative region might be reasonably expected to pass.

[Simfan34]

Silly.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

What's this I hear? The old "we have the right to demean and dehumanize certain groups of people because muh regional rights" defense? I thought we'd been over this.

If you feel that strongly about what is taught in our schools you should move here and join the PTA.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I hate it! (Non-Mideasterner) (Non-Nazi)

[Mechaman]

All I'll say (given that this seems like the kind of thing that could end up in Court at some level) is that the level of outrage seems far out of proportion to what's basically the kind of thing our most conservative region might be reasonably expected to pass.

Not any longer.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

What's this I hear? The old "we have the right to demean and dehumanize certain groups of people because muh regional rights" defense? I thought we'd been over this.

If you feel that strongly about what is taught in our schools you should move here and join the PTA.

Am I not allowed to condemn attacks on the humanity of LGBT students because of where I live? Am I not allowed to stand with my brothers and sisters in opposition to this hateful bill because I am not affected by it?

If you oppose this bill, why do you not welcome us non-Mideasterners to your side?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

What's this I hear? The old "we have the right to demean and dehumanize certain groups of people because muh regional rights" defense? I thought we'd been over this.

If you feel that strongly about what is taught in our schools you should move here and join the PTA.

Am I not allowed to condemn attacks on the humanity of LGBT students because of where I live? Am I not allowed to stand with my brothers and sisters in opposition to this hateful bill because I am not affected by it?

If you oppose this bill, why do you not welcome us non-Mideasterners to your side?

We already have enough Federal control over our schools, and over every other issue. There's hardly any room for the regions to do anything.  Maybe that is why this seems to be the only piece of legislation at the regional level that has generated any kind of interest in a long time.  And so we have people coming from the outside resorting to Federal court cases and heavy-handed federal curriculum laws against something that is in fact incredibly easy for those of us in the region who oppose it to take care of ourselves.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I don't like it, and neither do I like attempts by those from other regions to control our education.

What's this I hear? The old "we have the right to demean and dehumanize certain groups of people because muh regional rights" defense? I thought we'd been over this.

If you feel that strongly about what is taught in our schools you should move here and join the PTA.

Am I not allowed to condemn attacks on the humanity of LGBT students because of where I live? Am I not allowed to stand with my brothers and sisters in opposition to this hateful bill because I am not affected by it?

If you oppose this bill, why do you not welcome us non-Mideasterners to your side?

We already have enough Federal control over our schools, and over every other issue. There's hardly any room for the regions to do anything.  Maybe that is why this seems to be the only piece of legislation at the regional level that has generated any kind of interest in a long time.  And so we have people coming from the outside resorting to Federal court cases and heavy-handed laws against a law that is in fact incredibly easy for those of us in the region to oppose it to take care of ourselves.

Are you really this much of an apologist? If there is an injustice in the Mideast, it is a problem for every Atlasian. I and the many others who oppose this bill refuse to stand by and wait for the PTA to take care of this bill. It might be hard for you to comprehend, but I dislike the state telling children, mine or anyone's, who they should and should not marry, and I'd rather not wait for this issue to sort itself out on its own. Furthermore, it doesn't seem "incredibly easy" for you to oppose the bill when it's on track to become the law of the land.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

If this bill is on the books for a week or two before we can get it repealed, what exactly are you so afraid will happen?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

If this bill is on the books for a week or two before we can get it repealed, what exactly are you so afraid will happen?

I want this to be on the books for as little time as possible. Is it not possible for you to comprehend that I, on principle, oppose the state mandating that gay students be taught that they are inferior? Can you not understand the idea of principles?

[windjammer]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=199392.0

Lawsuit, lawsuit!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I'd like to thank the Vice President for taking this important step against hatred and homophobia.

[Adam Griffin]

I've found this bill's introduction and passage to be hilarious considering that (unfairly and rudely, might I add) the Federalist Party may have overtaken the Gaybor Party in having the most gays of any political organization in the game.

[Marokai Backbeat]

It's really terrible.

[Oakvale]

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

The government literally mandating that gay kids be taught that they are second-class citizens is more objectionable to me than your run-of-the-mill abortion restriction bill - those are a dime a dozen.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

The government literally mandating that gay kids be taught that they are second-class citizens is more objectionable to me than your run-of-the-mill abortion restriction bill - those are a dime a dozen.

Heavy-handed abortion restrictions should be ignored (or worse, accepted) simply because they are banal?

Oh, no, I'm just saying that the hate bill is an exceptional case. Cats are cute, but everyone loves cats. If there was a guy who thought tuataras were cute, that would be deserving of national attention, but cats wouldn't stop being cute.

[Mechaman]

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

The government literally mandating that gay kids be taught that they are second-class citizens is more objectionable to me than your run-of-the-mill abortion restriction bill - those are a dime a dozen.

Heavy-handed abortion restrictions should be ignored (or worse, accepted) simply because they are banal?

Oh, no, I'm just saying that the hate bill is an exceptional case. Cats are cute, but everyone loves cats. If there was a guy who thought tuataras were cute, that would be deserving of national attention, but cats wouldn't stop being cute.

I guess I'm not understanding why mandatory medical procedures and denying women control over their bodies do not also qualify as exceptional.

Hifly's ghastly anti-gay bill deserves every bit every bit of condemnation that it receives, but now that it's been pushed into an early grave I can't help feeling disappointed that everyone has overlooked the so-called "Right to Life Act" that passed not long before. This is not a minor issue. We shouldn't ignore women's rights just because there aren't actual women in Atlasia.

Just so everyone is aware, I addressed the "Right to Life Act" right after I got elected.  I do not support the repeal of it's entirety, given that sections 1-3 of that bill give important protection for outsiders in the Mideast.  If anything, I'd like to propose a new piece of legislation that will effectively undo sections 4-7 which place extreme restrictions on a woman's right to get an abortion.

Or, if you feel so inclined, you could pursue legal recourse.  I would feel uncomfortable with the courts striking down a law that gives foreigners civil liberty protections, but if that's what you gotta do. .... . . .just let me know ahead of time so I can prepare a stand alone legislation addressing that.  Also, I am not so sure if there is a Constitutional basis for pursuing a case on the "Right to Life" bill.  I say give those of us in the Mideast Legislature enough time to work out a solution (though admittedly, it would be far from ideal given the ideological leans of the region) on this front.

Hifly says he wants to work with us and has been real amicable.  However, and I mean no offense here, he is out of his mind if he thinks me and Spiral will just let this sh*t slide.  While I did not get elected with a mandate, neither did he.  Out of 18 people who voted in the most recent Mideast Regional Election, only six of them voted for Hifly.  Meanwhile, me and Spiral got a combined ten votes (six for Spiral four for me) in a race that our Governor and Lt. Governor lost a landslide to TJ and Tmthforu.  In other words, 55.6% of the people who voted in the last election voted for a Democratic-Republican agenda in the upcoming Assembly.

I believe it is clear that while the people of the Mideast may not be ready for Green Socialism or whatever the hell I call my ideology now days, they are more open to change than they were in the past.  I should note that the so-called "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" was a bill that was crafted and rushed through the Legislature in practically record time right after the election.  The "Mideast Right to Life Act" was proposed seven days ago during the middle of the election and passed just two days later.
This is the kind of crazy sh*t people can get away with when you only need one other person (also a moral authoritarian) to pass your agenda.  Like all other recent problems the Mideast has had Inactivity is at the very heart of this.  The people of the Mideast have recently voted, overwhelmingly, to restore the five seat legislature.  They have seen the grave threats that come with a legislature where only 2 votes decides the fate of many.

That left one man, Assemblyman Franzl, to put up a futile defense of the people against the reactionaries who took over the Legislature in the wake of our months of inactivity.  Franzl put up a spirited defense against these forces, going as far as to cast his vote as "HELL NO!" on the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act".  I feel ashamed for not recognizing his effort earlier, but promise the people of the Mideast that they will be remembered going forward when we pass the "Franzl War Memorial" bill and the "Franzl Day" bill in a couple of weeks.
Thank you Assemblyman, and Dave be with you.

So this I submit to outsiders: I know these recent bills have been horrifying to every decent person.  I know that the cost to Civil Rights in this country by the passage of these laws will hurt many.  And I know it is a bad reflection on the Mideast, with it's recent months of inactivity and regional governance falling apart.  But please know that, while Hifly was re-elected, he does not have the mandate of the people.  These laws were proposed and passed by two fringe Federalists (emphasis, as mainstream Federalists like our Lieutenant Governor Tmthforu and the Federalist Presidential candidate Lumine have condemned the "Promotion of Marriage in Education Act" at the least and our Governor just recently vetoed the law) who saw the writing on the wall.  These laws were passed in spite of the people of the Mideast, not because of them.  If you look at recent polling from this very Cardboard Box the overwhelming majority of Mideasterners (including myself) who have responded hate it.  And I don't expect a great amount of change in the poll numbers as more and more Mideast citizens respond.

EDIT: Just noticed that TJ vetoed the "Promotion of Family in Education" bill.  So hopefully not everything I just said is moot now.

[Cranberry]

It is slightly absurd how this attracted such outrage while another bill, which restricted abortion access and legislated for mandatory ultrasounds, that one would have assumed would be equally or more objectionable to the liberal consensus, was entirely ignored.

Maybe that's just my point of view; but there are dozens of gays in Atlasia (one could go as far as calling us a sort of dominant minority) while there is no woman active at the moment...

[bore]

Being pro life stems from a genuine belief that a foetus is a person and as such can not be murdered and that position is something that you can respect while disagreeing with it. Whereas the mideast gay bill seems to stem only from bigotry, which is impossible to respect and understandably makes people angry.