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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2014, 06:33:49 PM »

I appreciate this debate about police and why they exist but lets not forget the funding issue.

First is scraping surplus and using the money to pay for this feasible? Only one has responded so far on this matter.

Second, what about the NE, considering the Public Means Public Act, how do we go about distributing the money as this is a similar instance of one region already doing this?
I see no reason to waste additional funds on cameras Northeast PD's don't need. I say we should just include a clause stipulating that any department already equipped with cameras won't receive new funds.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2014, 05:50:16 AM »

I appreciate this debate about police and why they exist but lets not forget the funding issue.

First is scraping surplus and using the money to pay for this feasible? Only one has responded so far on this matter.

Second, what about the NE, considering the Public Means Public Act, how do we go about distributing the money as this is a similar instance of one region already doing this?
I see no reason to waste additional funds on cameras Northeast PD's don't need. I say we should just include a clause stipulating that any department already equipped with cameras won't receive new funds.

That's not the point.

The fact that the northeast is paying out of its own pocket for something that the federal government pays for in every other region is unfair on the northeast. Just like it's unfair for the IDS and NE to pay to support their own homeless while other regions have it paid for them.

However, short of a restructuring of what constitutes regional and what constitutes federal areas of power I don't see what can be done. Does anyone else have any ideas?
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2014, 01:13:13 PM »

I appreciate this debate about police and why they exist but lets not forget the funding issue.

First is scraping surplus and using the money to pay for this feasible? Only one has responded so far on this matter.

Second, what about the NE, considering the Public Means Public Act, how do we go about distributing the money as this is a similar instance of one region already doing this?
I see no reason to waste additional funds on cameras Northeast PD's don't need. I say we should just include a clause stipulating that any department already equipped with cameras won't receive new funds.

That's not the point.

The fact that the northeast is paying out of its own pocket for something that the federal government pays for in every other region is unfair on the northeast. Just like it's unfair for the IDS and NE to pay to support their own homeless while other regions have it paid for them.

However, short of a restructuring of what constitutes regional and what constitutes federal areas of power I don't see what can be done. Does anyone else have any ideas?

Agreed. Because some regions weren't as forward looking is no point to punish the region. Maybe we should ask the Governor if they want the funds, rather than simply saying they can't have it out of turn. I know the NE runs a surplus so there's no guarantee that they'd want it, but it's unfair to not include us simply because we've got the program going already.
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2014, 05:06:00 PM »

Dr. Cynic makes a good point and it is what we did in the public means public act basically.

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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2014, 05:52:02 PM »

Yeah, that seems the fairest way to do things.
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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2014, 05:45:21 PM »

Cynic or bore, if you want to craft an amendment towards that end, I will regard it as friendly. I wasn't planning on getting sick or not being able to coordinate to get on with the neighbors overt the past two days and I hope to start work sometime this week. The upside is that this means I should have my internet back rather soon, but in the meantime, there will be a bit of a squeeze as I begin work and the timing gets more dififcult. I would hate to have to start this over.
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2014, 06:04:04 PM »
« Edited: October 05, 2014, 06:09:12 PM by Senator bore »

Inroduucing an amendment:

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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2014, 06:06:19 PM »

Friendly.


What about the scraping military surplus as a source of funds?
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2014, 06:30:37 PM »

The amendment has been declared as friendly, Senators have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2014, 10:34:40 AM »

Yeah we're going to have deal with the funding now.

How much do we want to/ can we afford to sink into this?
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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2014, 11:14:09 AM »

Before I can decide on the amendment I need concrete numbers regarding X and Y.
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2014, 06:02:31 PM »

I was just going to base it on what was an acceptable amount to be redirected from the military surplus value being distributed.
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« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2014, 06:44:33 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2014, 09:37:32 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2014, 06:25:59 PM »

Do we want to cut all or just part of that military surplus being distributed? Is there any value in having that being distributed at a lower level or at a later time. Answering these questions will help us guide how much to keep and the remainder to set aside for this project.
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2014, 06:27:50 PM »

Could we sell the surplus to allies*?




*And I don't mean allies like saudi arabia, but allies like the UK or France
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2014, 06:55:22 PM »

I would support that move, but scrapping is probably safer, which is why I didn't suggest selling before.

Maybe a mix of the two. Sell what we can to Britain, France, Canada etc, scrap what we cannot.
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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2014, 05:57:02 AM »

I would support that move, but scrapping is probably safer, which is why I didn't suggest selling before.

Maybe a mix of the two. Sell what we can to Britain, France, Canada etc, scrap what we cannot.

I'd be good with that.
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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2014, 06:15:56 PM »

How much funding does the federal government provide to local police departments?

As Deus pointed out, this military equipment is apparently giving directly, which surprised even me as I expected it was sold to them with funds given to them for such purposes.

There are other forms of anti-terrorism that are direct cash handouts to the local police, as well as numerous other crime related funding streams.
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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2014, 07:18:50 PM »

The text was crafted before I made that realization courtesy of Deus.

It needs to be changed once we decide how we are going to do it.
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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2014, 01:42:13 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2014, 08:11:10 AM »

It was crafted on the basis of it being a temporary/partial redirection at a time when I was thinking it was a direct payout that was then used to buy the surplus. If that is not the case as Deus stated then that section will need to be altered.

I will try to do what I can but getting on line will be rather difficult after tomorrow until I get my internet back on Thursday.
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2014, 07:40:42 PM »

I have my internet back. I was hoping that at least some of this could have been resolved by now, but it is what it is.

I need some idea of what people will go for in order to know how to proceed.


First off Nix, is your question still unanswered as of this stage?
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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2014, 11:44:14 PM »

I don't know how better to clarify the situation, Nix. As I stated before, I crafted this on the understanding that it was a direct payout and apparently that is not the case.


Since it is a transfer of equipment without any cash chnaging hands, the first clause has to be replaced anyway to reflect the sale of the surplus equiptment and the money to then be directed to the region for stated purpose. As for the requirement that it be used for a specific purpose, it was my intent that such was to be case but if the text isn't solid enough, we can look at changing that.

I believe this is the third time I have tried to convey the same response. If there is something more you need answered, you will need to be more specific.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2014, 12:02:41 AM »

No, I think I have my answer. This isn't going to work.

What isn't going to work? You are being rather cryptic.
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