California Adopts 'Yes Means Yes' Sexual Assault Rule

[memphis]

People go on dates without having sex.  

Gonna have to revoke your gay card.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

HER GOING TO YOUR PLACE IS NOT CONSENT FOR SEX, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

[DrScholl]

HER GOING TO YOUR PLACE IS NOT CONSENT FOR SEX, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

Exactly, it's incredibly ridiculous for anyone to claim for that to be consent.

[Famous Mortimer]

Haha, a girl coming up for a drink after a date is definitely implied consent.

If you legitimately disagree, you don't live in the real world.

I suspect you know I'm right though and that's why you're overcompensating with caps.

That said, I personally would need more than that to move forward but I could forgive someone for accepting that alone (again, assuming the girl isn't wasted and doesn't say "no") At the very least I wouldn't want to label them a rapist, one of the worst things you could possibly be, based on their perfectly reasonable assumption.

[bedstuy]

People go on dates without having sex.  

Gonna have to revoke your gay card.

Oh, that's quaint.  Are we calling exchanging bathroom mirror selfies on grindr a "date" now?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I don't have a problem with the law. I think it's a good idea that probably just clarifies existing law in practice.

What I do have a problem with, however, is campus tribunals that operate from a guilty-until-proven-innocent-but-good-luck-proving-that system that doesn't allow the accused to testify on their own behalf or introduce evidence.

If college conduct tribunals want to weigh in on legal issues like sexual assault, they should be bound by the same standards when finding someone guilty.

[Famous Mortimer]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

Oh thank god, I thought you were being serious for a minute there. 

[angus]

HER GOING TO YOUR PLACE IS NOT CONSENT FOR SEX, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

Why don't you shout a little louder?  I don't think that we quite understand that rape is a crime.  Perhaps between your shouting and your state's legislature legislating foreplay conversations, people may be made to understand that rape is a crime.  

[MaxQue]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

It often leads to sex, yes, but it doesn't mean consent at all. What's next, going to a bar means consent? Not wearing a lot of clothes means consent?

[bedstuy]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

I'm gay so maybe I'm not an expert on this stuff.  But, I don't think every hetero post-date hookup includes vaginal intercourse.  Sometimes you people just make out and watch an episode of Househunters or something, right?  Especially if it's a first date?  But, I think you citing TV for an example of how people have sex just shows your maturity level when it comes to relationships.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

No, it isn't consent. Maybe they just really want to visit and have a drink. 

The fact that people can interpret such a statement differently is significant in itself though.  The rare false accusation must be a much smaller issue than just two people having different understandings of what was consented to and what wasn't.

[Famous Mortimer]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

I'm gay so maybe I'm not an expert on this stuff.  But, I don't think every hetero post-date hookup includes vaginal intercourse.  Sometimes you people just make out and watch an episode of Househunters or something, right?  Especially if it's a first date?  But, I think you citing TV for an example of how people have sex just shows your maturity level when it comes to relationships.

If straight people do not want to have sex on the first date, they would not go back to one of their places to hang out afterwards. This is universal. Every straight person who has ever had sex will back me up.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Haha, a girl coming up for a drink after a date is definitely implied consent.

If you legitimately disagree, you don't live in the real world.

I live in the world, and I definitely disagree with that revolting concept.  Sex is a wonderful thing, but because of that, it shouldn't be so trivially treated as you apparently do.

[bedstuy]

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

I'm gay so maybe I'm not an expert on this stuff.  But, I don't think every hetero post-date hookup includes vaginal intercourse.  Sometimes you people just make out and watch an episode of Househunters or something, right?  Especially if it's a first date?  But, I think you citing TV for an example of how people have sex just shows your maturity level when it comes to relationships.

If straight people do not want to have sex on the first date, they would not go back to one of their places to hang out afterwards. This is universal. Every straight person who has ever had sex will back me up.

OK.  You're joking then?  I guess the Mr. Show reference should have been a dead giveaway.  

[Famous Mortimer]

Haha, a girl coming up for a drink after a date is definitely implied consent.

If you legitimately disagree, you don't live in the real world.

I live in the world, and I definitely disagree with that revolting concept.  Sex is a wonderful thing, but because of that, it shouldn't be so trivially treated as you apparently do.

Okay, straight people under 30 who aren't fundamentalist Christians who oppose sex before marriage.

[angus]

Mortimer,
It doesn't always work like that.  Sometimes you invite someone up for a drink and you both drink so much that neither of you are into it.  Sometimes you invite someone up for a drink and you drink too much and even though she's horny, you're only able to produce something resembling an elevator button, even with a good attitude.  Sometimes you invite someone up for a drink and maybe you're horny but she's really not into it.  (maybe she's not into you in that way; maybe she's just not into it at the moment; either way she makes it clear that she's not into it.)  These are all things that normally happen.  They have all happened to me. at one time or another.  I assume that one day they will all happen to most of the posters here once they grow up.

I've been hit on by straight women and by gay men.  Also, I have hit on women, sometimes successfully, sometimes not so much.  I have been invited up for a drink and I have invited others up for a drink.  Usually one of us was trying to get the other one into the sack--on that point I'll agree--but as a person who has said "no" (and I'm more into the No means No mentality than the Yes means Yes groupthink), I can attest that accepting an offer for a drink isn't tantamount to accepting an offer of being invaginated or to stand it up on command.

You are buying into too many assumptions, and your arguments are not helping to point out the inherent inefficiency and potential pitfalls of this unnecessary bill.

[Famous Mortimer]

Obviously if you agree to a drink and say "NO" you mean "NO"

but if you agree to a drink and you don't say anything, you will come off as being coy, and that's probably your intention unless you're mentally ill or an idiot.

[MaxQue]

Obviously if you agree to a drink and say "NO" you mean "NO"

but if you agree to a drink and you don't say anything, you will come off as being coy, and that's probably your intention unless you're mentally ill or an idiot.

You're the living proof than that law is needed.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

WillipsBrighton, say something a rapist wouldn't say. Not to prove anything. Just to help my peace of mind about sharing a forum with you. Please. Anything.

[Bacon King]

This thread is a train wreck what the Christ did nobody else notice Mortimer claiming that spousal rape doesn't exist - by telling a story about how his friend was spousally raped??

[MaxQue]

This thread is a train wreck what the Christ did nobody else notice Mortimer claiming that spousal rape doesn't exist - by telling a story about how his friend was spousally raped??

Well, it's a good idea of letting him talk, he is doing a good job for justifying the law.

[bedstuy]

This thread is a train wreck what the Christ did nobody else notice Mortimer claiming that spousal rape doesn't exist - by telling a story about how his friend was spousally raped??

Well, it's a good idea of letting him talk, he is doing a good job for justifying the law.

To be fair, there's a 95% chance he's never had sex.

[Famous Mortimer]

This thread is a train wreck what the Christ did nobody else notice Mortimer claiming that spousal rape doesn't exist - by telling a story about how his friend was spousally raped??

Again, trying to find sinister intent in everything.

I said no such thing. Spousal rape exists for sure. Don't be a pedant.

[Bacon King]

Glad you responded morty, quick question. the consent that is implicitly granted to you by virtue of enticing your date to enter your residence- does it also cover the kinky stuff?

asking for a friend