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Question: Who would you have supported in the Philippine–American War?
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« on: September 29, 2014, 08:27:07 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War

There is basically no reason at all to support the US in this war unless you're a brainless jingoistic moron who supports the US in every single conflict regardless of morality.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2014, 08:41:59 PM »

No one.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2014, 08:56:53 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2014, 10:44:47 PM »

Aguinaldo was a bloody self-proclaimed tyrant with little popular support, who collaborated with the Japanese during WWII (which makes it presumably not a coincidence that he founded the "National Socialist Party" to run for President in 1935). Filipinos are extremely fond of America.

I wouldn't support the war in the first place, but that doesn't mean its outcome wasn't a positive for the Philippines.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2014, 11:09:46 PM »

Supporting "no one" means supporting the brutal imperialist campaign of the United States.

I would have supported the Filipinos.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 04:40:31 AM »
« Edited: September 30, 2014, 04:48:03 AM by politicus »

Aguinaldo was a bloody self-proclaimed tyrant with little popular support, who collaborated with the Japanese during WWII (which makes it presumably not a coincidence that he founded the "National Socialist Party" to run for President in 1935). Filipinos are extremely fond of America.

I wouldn't support the war in the first place, but that doesn't mean its outcome wasn't a positive for the Philippines.

You can't use an election in 1935 to measure support in 1899 and most rebel leaders are generally "self-proclaimed". Lots of Asian nationalists supported the Japanese. Aung San in Burma supported them until January 1945, it was the anti-Western option, not the fascist one. National socialist was not associated with Nazism in Asia, but with, ya know, nationalism and socialism.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 05:16:39 AM »

Supporting "no one" means supporting the brutal imperialist campaign of the United States.

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 05:24:56 AM »

The Filipinos (decent human being)
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 06:52:48 AM »

And here's an example of why I call you the worst poster that we were all better off without.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 08:00:12 AM »

And here's an example of why I call you the worst poster that we were all better off without.

Saying that people who oppose war are supporters of a "brutal imperialist campaign" is most definitely a strawman argument, and it's also a logical fallacy. People can most definitely oppose war without ulterior motives. Just because people oppose war doesn't mean that war won't happen, and it doesn't mean they want people to be slaughtered in any regard. How's it up on that high horse?
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 09:45:48 AM »

And here's an example of why I call you the worst poster that we were all better off without.

Saying that people who oppose war are supporters of a "brutal imperialist campaign" is most definitely a strawman argument, and it's also a logical fallacy. People can most definitely oppose war without ulterior motives. Just because people oppose war doesn't mean that war won't happen, and it doesn't mean they want people to be slaughtered in any regard. How's it up on that high horse?

Ignore BRTD's posturing, but the idea is that by "not taking sides" in a conflict between imperialism and a victim of imperialism, you are effectively siding with the oppressor.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 10:21:54 AM »

And here's an example of why I call you the worst poster that we were all better off without.

Saying that people who oppose war are supporters of a "brutal imperialist campaign" is most definitely a strawman argument, and it's also a logical fallacy. People can most definitely oppose war without ulterior motives. Just because people oppose war doesn't mean that war won't happen, and it doesn't mean they want people to be slaughtered in any regard. How's it up on that high horse?

Ignore BRTD's posturing, but the idea is that by "not taking sides" in a conflict between imperialism and a victim of imperialism, you are effectively siding with the oppressor.

It's siding with non-violence. Things can be opposed without seeking bloodshed.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 12:47:11 PM »

Not imperialism.
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 01:19:02 PM »


Gandhi would beg to differ.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 06:34:07 PM »

And here's an example of why I call you the worst poster that we were all better off without.

Saying that people who oppose war are supporters of a "brutal imperialist campaign" is most definitely a strawman argument, and it's also a logical fallacy. People can most definitely oppose war without ulterior motives. Just because people oppose war doesn't mean that war won't happen, and it doesn't mean they want people to be slaughtered in any regard. How's it up on that high horse?

Ignore BRTD's posturing, but the idea is that by "not taking sides" in a conflict between imperialism and a victim of imperialism, you are effectively siding with the oppressor.
That's pretty silly. By that logic, you're a supporter of Vladimir Putin.
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 07:43:57 PM »

Supporting "no one" means supporting the brutal imperialist campaign of the United States.

I would have supported the Filipinos.

Yet supporting "no one" in the Ukraine vs. Russia conflict is the only sane and rational choice? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2014, 12:21:08 PM »


I'm currently reconsidering (haven't finished reconsidering; am still in the process) my absolutely pacifist stance, and this is part of the reason why.

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2014, 02:23:03 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2014, 02:27:56 PM »

My sympathies would have lain with the Filipinos, who were subjugated by a foreign colonial power.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2014, 02:42:54 PM »

Americans if American, Filipinos if not.
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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2014, 09:20:06 PM »

My sympathies would have lain with the Filipinos, who were subjugated by a foreign colonial power.

Essentially this is my stance summarized.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2014, 12:27:17 PM »

Supporting "no one" means supporting the brutal imperialist campaign of the United States.

I would have supported the Filipinos.

Yet supporting "no one" in the Ukraine vs. Russia conflict is the only sane and rational choice? Roll Eyes

I would argue that irredentism is distinct from colonialism.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2014, 12:30:18 PM »

The Kiev government is not morally equivalent to the government of the Philippines, given that the Kiev government is a cabal of people who want to remake the Ukrainian government from a Russian client state to an American one. The only side worth taking in Ukraine is that of the Ukrainian masses, not Washington, not Moscow, and certainly not Kiev or the so-called 'People's Republic of Donetsk' which is essentially a racist, fascist outfit parading as something else.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2014, 04:46:39 AM »

Aguinaldo was a bloody self-proclaimed tyrant with little popular support,
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2014, 06:51:14 AM »

Yes. *get's hit with tomatoes, lamps and onions*.

The Philippines were and are better off with the United States.
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